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reds44 · 10-02-2007, 07:02 PM

First of all, I am glad that Krivsky is having an open mind and going through the interview process. It's something that needs to be done.

I do not know whether I want Pete back or I don't. I am really indifferent. I like his personality, and the players seemed to like it as well. I think he did a better job then Jerry did, but that's not saying much. He managed a team with relatively little pressure on them that was playing loose. How would he respond in a pennant race?

The other thing you have to consider is the other canidates out there. If the three main guys out there are Baker, Brenly, and LaRussa then put me down as rather just giving McKanin a one year exentsion with an option for a 2nd year. I would probably say the same thing if you add Girardi in the list.

I am indifferent about Pete, but I am not sure what else is out there.

MrCinatit · 10-02-2007, 07:30 PM

I can only hope this ball club does a thorough job of finding an appropriate leader for the team, and does not jump on the sexiest name out there for the sake of grabbing a big name. As I recall, Rogers Hornsby was a pretty big name.
Meanwhile, even though I am nowhere near sold on Pete, I hope he is not judged by the last couple of weeks of play - not easy winning with half your starting lineup ailing.

WVRedsFan · 10-02-2007, 07:59 PM

Like many here, I'm torn a little. If I'm reading the papers correctly, the main candidates are:

1. Bob Brenly - 303-262 - 4 seasons - .536
2. Joe Girardi - 78-84 - 1 season - .481
3. Tony Larussa - 2375-2070 - 31 seasons - .534
4. Dusty Baker - 1162-1041 - 14 seasons - .527
5. Pete Mackanin - 53-53 - 2 seasons - .500

I have to eliminate Girardi immediately because of experience and the losing record (and I know why--youth). That leaves us Brenly, Larussa, Mackanin, and Baker. I have to eliminate Larussa because he's not coming here--I don't see any way for the money he'd want. That leaves us with Brenly, Mackanin and Baker. Dusty would demand too much and I don't think he would jive with Krivsky, so that leaves us with Brenly and Mackanin.

I know absolutely nothing about Brenley except the won 92, 98, and 84 games with Arizona as manager and was fired after a 29-50 start (some clubs have standards. Some were still arguing for Jerry when he was 31-51). I know a little about Mackanin, but most of it is personal and his moves at times baffled me, so I'm torn. Brenly or Mackanin? I have no idea what to do. Ya think anyone else will enter the frey?

Falls City Beer · 10-02-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WVRedsFan

Like many here, I'm torn a little. If I'm reading the papers correctly, the main candidates are:

1. Bob Brenly - 303-262 - 4 seasons - .536
2. Joe Girardi - 78-84 - 1 season - .481
3. Tony Larussa - 2375-2070 - 31 seasons - .534
4. Dusty Baker - 1162-1041 - 14 seasons - .527
5. Pete Mackanin - 53-53 - 2 seasons - .500

I have to eliminate Girardi immediately because of experience and the losing record (and I know why--youth). That leaves us Brenly, Larussa, Mackanin, and Baker. I have to eliminate Larussa because he's not coming here--I don't see any way for the money he'd want. That leaves us with Brenly, Mackanin and Baker. Dusty would demand too much and I don't think he would jive with Krivsky, so that leaves us with Brenly and Mackanin.

I know absolutely nothing about Brenley except the won 92, 98, and 84 games with Arizona as manager and was fired after a 29-50 start (some clubs have standards. Some were still arguing for Jerry when he was 31-51). I know a little about Mackanin, but most of it is personal and his moves at times baffled me, so I'm torn. Brenly or Mackanin? I have no idea what to do. Ya think anyone else will enter the frey?

Manager is still the cheapest place to make a big splash in the press, which is where I'm guessing Cast wants to target.

Raisor · 10-02-2007, 08:18 PM

I swear, if it's Dusty Baker I'll start taking hostages.

KronoRed · 10-02-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Raisor

I swear, if it's Dusty Baker I'll start taking hostages.

Make one of them Homer, to save his arm.

GAC · 10-02-2007, 08:26 PM

I don't see where their approach has changed from what they stated initially. They are going to be open-mnded and go through the process, which is going to take time. They were pretty straightforward when they hired Pete and said he was interim. The fact that they've told him that he is one of the candidates (even if his chances are slim) is all he can ask for.

I can remember some on here saying Pete was Wayne's "guy", and that the job was going to be his all along.

jmcclain19 · 10-02-2007, 08:32 PM

LaRussa in Cincy = Jim Leland in Colorado. Without the chain smoking in the dugout.

RedLegSuperStar · 10-02-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raisor

I swear, if it's Dusty Baker I'll start taking hostages.

Classic

RedLegSuperStar · 10-02-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVRedsFan

Like many here, I'm torn a little. If I'm reading the papers correctly, the main candidates are:

1. Bob Brenly - 303-262 - 4 seasons - .536
2. Joe Girardi - 78-84 - 1 season - .481
3. Tony Larussa - 2375-2070 - 31 seasons - .534
4. Dusty Baker - 1162-1041 - 14 seasons - .527
5. Pete Mackanin - 53-53 - 2 seasons - .500

I have to eliminate Girardi immediately because of experience and the losing record (and I know why--youth). That leaves us Brenly, Larussa, Mackanin, and Baker. I have to eliminate Larussa because he's not coming here--I don't see any way for the money he'd want. That leaves us with Brenly, Mackanin and Baker. Dusty would demand too much and I don't think he would jive with Krivsky, so that leaves us with Brenly and Mackanin.

I know absolutely nothing about Brenley except the won 92, 98, and 84 games with Arizona as manager and was fired after a 29-50 start (some clubs have standards. Some were still arguing for Jerry when he was 31-51). I know a little about Mackanin, but most of it is personal and his moves at times baffled me, so I'm torn. Brenly or Mackanin? I have no idea what to do. Ya think anyone else will enter the frey?

I think more will enter the frey.. these are some of those who might be in the mix..

Joe Torre
Don Baylor
Larry Bowa
Chino Cadahia
Joey Cora
Rick Dempsey
Jim Fregosi
Phil Garner
Davey Johnson
Ken Macha
Jerry Manuel
Don Mattingly
Terry Pendleton
Sam Perlozzo
Bobby Valentine

*Bold are candidates I'd like to see interviewed

I think New York could part ways with Joe Torre if they don't make it past the Indians. Every year it seems he is battling to stay. Torre does have ties with Cincinnati as he met his wife here.

Kc61 · 10-02-2007, 09:21 PM

Based on everything I've read, I expect Bob Brenly to be named manager.

Just my take, but I think the swoon at the end cost Mack. It served as a dose of reality to Castellini that if he hires another unproven manager who fails, he (Cast) will look bad. From a public relations point of view, going with a "name" manager provides a layer of protection if things don't work out.

I don't think LaRussa is coming to Cincy at this point. If he doesn't go back to the Cards, I think he will broadcast until a big market job is opened.

Somehow I don't see Girardi as a Krivsky type of guy. Too brash and fiery. Krivsky seems too conservative to go for a guy like this, particularly with the way the Florida thing ended.

My guess is that Brenly, having won at Arizona, is the guy who fits the bill here. If it doesn't work out, I wouldn't be shocked at Dusty Baker as the second choice or possibly Ken Macha. But I expect Brenly to be the guy.

Strikes Out Looking · 10-02-2007, 09:30 PM

I honestly don't know who I'd pick--however I'm actively rooting against LaRussa and Baker. LaRussa because I think he's arrogant and condones illegal drug use and Baker, well see Prior, Mark and Wood, Kerry and think Bailey, Homer. No way to that.

I guess I'm still upset that management couldn't see to fire Narron and hire Lou when he was available. I still think the Reds would be in the playoffs after seeing what Lou did with the scrubs this year. I know, I need to get over it.

redsmetz · 10-02-2007, 10:09 PM

I wouldn't rule Torre out. His wife is from Cincinnati and he may want to get out from under the NY pressure cooker.

mth123 · 10-02-2007, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltlabner

So if your car breaks down, do you start riding the bus? Because, you know, your last car broke down.

I understand the desire for a "big name" manager. It brings "respectability" and hope for the future.

I'd rather the millions that go in the pocket of a "big name" manager go in the pocket of a solid pitcher.

RedLegSuperStar · 10-02-2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking

I guess I'm still upset that management couldn't see to fire Narron and hire Lou when he was available. I still think the Reds would be in the playoffs after seeing what Lou did with the scrubs this year. I know, I need to get over it.

I agree with you on the Baker part. And am right their with you on the Piniella situation.. I wanted Castellini to fire Narron and hire Piniella so bad.. and I think that is why I want a manager who has a valid track record..

10-02-2007, 07:02 PM	#46
reds44 #TheReturn Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 23,655	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! First of all, I am glad that Krivsky is having an open mind and going through the interview process. It's something that needs to be done. I do not know whether I want Pete back or I don't. I am really indifferent. I like his personality, and the players seemed to like it as well. I think he did a better job then Jerry did, but that's not saying much. He managed a team with relatively little pressure on them that was playing loose. How would he respond in a pennant race? The other thing you have to consider is the other canidates out there. If the three main guys out there are Baker, Brenly, and LaRussa then put me down as rather just giving McKanin a one year exentsion with an option for a 2nd year. I would probably say the same thing if you add Girardi in the list. I am indifferent about Pete, but I am not sure what else is out there.

10-02-2007, 07:30 PM	#47
MrCinatit Baseball card addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Piqua Posts: 4,426	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! I can only hope this ball club does a thorough job of finding an appropriate leader for the team, and does not jump on the sexiest name out there for the sake of grabbing a big name. As I recall, Rogers Hornsby was a pretty big name. Meanwhile, even though I am nowhere near sold on Pete, I hope he is not judged by the last couple of weeks of play - not easy winning with half your starting lineup ailing. __________________ whisper words of wisdom I wrote a book! My AmazonShort My other AmazonShort

10-02-2007, 07:59 PM	#48
WVRedsFan Lime in da Coconut Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Rainelle, WV Posts: 7,711	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! Like many here, I'm torn a little. If I'm reading the papers correctly, the main candidates are: 1. Bob Brenly - 303-262 - 4 seasons - .536 2. Joe Girardi - 78-84 - 1 season - .481 3. Tony Larussa - 2375-2070 - 31 seasons - .534 4. Dusty Baker - 1162-1041 - 14 seasons - .527 5. Pete Mackanin - 53-53 - 2 seasons - .500 I have to eliminate Girardi immediately because of experience and the losing record (and I know why--youth). That leaves us Brenly, Larussa, Mackanin, and Baker. I have to eliminate Larussa because he's not coming here--I don't see any way for the money he'd want. That leaves us with Brenly, Mackanin and Baker. Dusty would demand too much and I don't think he would jive with Krivsky, so that leaves us with Brenly and Mackanin. I know absolutely nothing about Brenley except the won 92, 98, and 84 games with Arizona as manager and was fired after a 29-50 start (some clubs have standards. Some were still arguing for Jerry when he was 31-51). I know a little about Mackanin, but most of it is personal and his moves at times baffled me, so I'm torn. Brenly or Mackanin? I have no idea what to do. Ya think anyone else will enter the frey?

10-02-2007, 08:18 PM	#50
Raisor Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,669	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! I swear, if it's Dusty Baker I'll start taking hostages. __________________ "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

10-02-2007, 08:26 PM	#52
GAC What Me Worry? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellefontaine, Ohio Posts: 26,416	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! I don't see where their approach has changed from what they stated initially. They are going to be open-mnded and go through the process, which is going to take time. They were pretty straightforward when they hired Pete and said he was interim. The fact that they've told him that he is one of the candidates (even if his chances are slim) is all he can ask for. I can remember some on here saying Pete was Wayne's "guy", and that the job was going to be his all along. __________________ "panic" only comes from having real expectations

10-02-2007, 08:32 PM	#53
jmcclain19 Smells Like Teen Spirit Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 6,486	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! LaRussa in Cincy = Jim Leland in Colorado. Without the chain smoking in the dugout.

10-02-2007, 09:21 PM	#56
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,821	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! Based on everything I've read, I expect Bob Brenly to be named manager. Just my take, but I think the swoon at the end cost Mack. It served as a dose of reality to Castellini that if he hires another unproven manager who fails, he (Cast) will look bad. From a public relations point of view, going with a "name" manager provides a layer of protection if things don't work out. I don't think LaRussa is coming to Cincy at this point. If he doesn't go back to the Cards, I think he will broadcast until a big market job is opened. Somehow I don't see Girardi as a Krivsky type of guy. Too brash and fiery. Krivsky seems too conservative to go for a guy like this, particularly with the way the Florida thing ended. My guess is that Brenly, having won at Arizona, is the guy who fits the bill here. If it doesn't work out, I wouldn't be shocked at Dusty Baker as the second choice or possibly Ken Macha. But I expect Brenly to be the guy. Last edited by Kc61; 10-02-2007 at 09:24 PM.

10-02-2007, 09:30 PM	#57
Strikes Out Looking Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,264	Re: Reds tell Mackanin they are going to explore other options! I honestly don't know who I'd pick--however I'm actively rooting against LaRussa and Baker. LaRussa because I think he's arrogant and condones illegal drug use and Baker, well see Prior, Mark and Wood, Kerry and think Bailey, Homer. No way to that. I guess I'm still upset that management couldn't see to fire Narron and hire Lou when he was available. I still think the Reds would be in the playoffs after seeing what Lou did with the scrubs this year. I know, I need to get over it.

10-02-2007, 10:09 PM	#58
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