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10-11-2007, 07:45 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
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Yes, 2003 was a bad year for Dusty, as far as handling his Sp's anyway. Kerry Wood was #2 in PAP points, Mark Prior was #4 and the new kid, Carlos Zambrano was #11. But the good news (for Reds fans, anyway) is that 2003 was, by far, Dusty's worst year in handling pitching, at least as far as PAP points goes. I looked back on his years as manager, from '93-02 with SF, and then '03-'06 with the Cubs. Dusty's first 6 years he had exactly 0 (zero) SP's in the top 10 of PAP (pitcher abuse points). *then it started (SP's in the top 10 of PAP): '99- Russ Ortiz '00- Livan (to be fair, every year Livan pitches, he appears in the top 10 of PAP points) '01- Livan '02- Livan, Ortiz '03- Wood, Prior, and Zambrano (11th) '04- Zambrano '05- Zambrano, Prior '06- Zambrano To be complete, and fair, the same pitchers show up every single year on the PAP points. Most of them are seldom injured, and have pitched for years and years. These guys are workhorses. Names like, Schilling, Clemons, Johnson, Martinez (until of late), Harang, Livan, Schmidt, Halladay and Zambrano. Also of note- only one single time has Kerry Wood appeared in the top 10 of most abused pitchers (2003), and only twice has Prior (2003, 2005). Zambrano has appeared on the list every single year since 2003 (no matter who is managing him). I would term Zambrano (and Harang along with him) a HORSE. Some guys can throw a lot of pitches, and some guys cannot. Good for Lou, holding Zambrano to a lower pitch count in the playoffs, since he was planning on using him on short rest. Here's a question- Is it up to the manager to decide which SP's throw more pitches than others, or is it the responsibility of someone else to decide that?? in other words, is Dusty Baker responsible for 2003, and the ruination of Kerry Woods and Mark Prior? or are they just fragile arms? (which does indeed happen). I'm sure if Baker interviewed here, this was all discussed in detail. I'm going to assume that Kriv and his staff know more about baseball than I do. 
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10-11-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
Good news
I got to have pie with my dinner. I heart pie. Bad news Dusty Baker makes me itch.
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10-11-2007, 07:56 PM
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10-11-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
In terms of handling SP pitch counts, going from Jerry Narron to Dusty Baker is the epitome of going from bad to worse.
In terms of making lineups, Dusty Baker is on par, if not also worse than Jerry Narron. Dusty Baker would be, at best, a lateral move from Jerry Narron. Lateral moves are the last thing this team needs. |
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10-11-2007, 08:08 PM
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However, from the standpoint of where this team is (essentially about to undertake a youth movement as 5 members of their likely '08 lineup, 60% of their rotation and practically their whole pen wouldn't even be arb eligible) I neither understand why Dusty would want to come here nor why the Reds would think he's their guy...
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10-11-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
Unless now the young guys are the trading chips for the old farts team that Dusty likes to have...
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10-11-2007, 08:14 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
A Dusty Baker run team would be a boon to Castro fans, I bet.
I would imagine that Baker has some serious man-love for Juan.
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10-11-2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
For those originally not in favor of bringing Pete back, how you feeling now??
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10-11-2007, 08:22 PM
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Thanks alot, Daddy.
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10-11-2007, 08:31 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
News travels quick around here.. LOL! I have a STRONG feeling it's going to be Dusty barring a Major Wally Backman episode. I heard from a few folks that Fay has been on the radio and making comments to other media sources that Dusty is a done deal and they will announce when MLB lets them.
I like the idea myself. I know he gets tagged a lot for ruining some arms but I don't completely buy into that. Hopefully Dick Pole can reign him in if it does become a problem.
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10-11-2007, 08:37 PM
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This would be a clear sign that we have management not interested in joining the 21st century of business practice. I know fandom is somewhat arbitrary based on where you grow up and what team you first root for. I've maintained my fandom despite moving away from Ohio at age 8. But this might be the straw that breaks my fandom's back.
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10-11-2007, 08:43 PM
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I don't get a guy who builds a nice house in Sacramento, CA thinking that he has to have a managerial job in Cincinnati. If there's good news, Baker likes the mashers. This'll probably get Dunn's option picked up.
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10-11-2007, 08:44 PM
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This one's for you Edd
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I feel for the older Reds fan who jeered this guy while wearing Dodger Blue in the '70's. Now they'll have to like him.
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10-11-2007, 08:44 PM
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Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?
What in the hell have I did to the Reds to deserve this constant torture?
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10-11-2007, 08:45 PM
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  :runawaycr :all_cohol     Just when you thought it could not get worse.....
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