"The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

RFS62 · 10-27-2007, 10:45 PM

Now that the Dust has settled, it might be interesting to see if people's opinions have changed.

The first time we ran this poll, the results were overwhelmingly against hiring Dusty Baker as manager. 63.87% voted "No" to the question "Are you happy with the Reds hiring Dusty Baker as manager?"

A tremendous discussion ensued, and I wonder how many, if any, minds were changed.

So, the same question again with the same options.

Are you happy with the Reds hiring Dusty Baker as manager?

edabbs44 · 10-27-2007, 10:55 PM

Went "no" before, and now I am in the "unsure" bucket.

It all depends on how the rest of the off-season plays out.

If Wayne is shopping the clearance rack at the thrift shop looking for the next Stanton or Cormier, then there will be nothing left to say. If they put their money where their mouths are this time, then I'll care less that Dusty is the manager.

Dusty will have no prayer if Wayne releases Bullpen Bloodbath III next season.

BoydsOfSummer · 10-27-2007, 11:43 PM

Hell no. Still.

Unassisted · 10-28-2007, 12:34 AM

I was unsure before and I will continue to be unsure until I see some changes attributable to Dusty.

KronoRed · 10-28-2007, 01:31 AM

Still a big No over here.

I expect the Unsures will pick up.

WVRedsFan · 10-28-2007, 01:36 AM

My first time around, I voted "no" and I still did mainly because. You know, just because. Truth is, as we get away from the shock of it all, I see some positives. The main positives are:

1. He isn't a manager who doesn't have a record.

Since Jack McKeon, we've had Bob Boone (losing record), Dave Miley (no record), Jerry Narron (losing record), and Pete Macklanin (no record). Now some may say a manager makes no difference, but I differ with this opinion. There's a reson why some guys win and others lose. Dusty is a winner.

2. He may have connections.

OK, so maybe not, but you have to admit that Boone, Miley, and Narron didn't have any that we knew of. Well, maybe the Josh Hamilton connection, but that was a shot in the dark. Truth is that we have hired so many nobodies, it a wonder we have done as well as we have.

3. He's good with the press if you're not Steve Stone. And he's good with the players.

Listening to Boone,. Miley, and Narron was torture. Same old lines game after game. At least with Dusty there's no Gene Mauch connection (why do I want to drive a stake into the heart of anyone who has that connection??). The players will be happy and they'll love him -- if they win. It's easy to hate someone when you lose. His record probably means we'll probably win more than we lose so it assures us of a happy clubhouse. As for the press, Steve Stone isn't here (or Kurt Merkur for that matter), so it should be OK.

As much as I hate to say it, he needs to have a chance. We gave that chance to Boone (well, barely), Miley (after a year and a half honeymoon) and Narron (I stil can hear the arguments for why he should not be blamed for the downward slide he presided over). We loved Mack just because the team won two more games than they lost. He deserves a chance to prove his worth.

fearofpopvol1 · 10-28-2007, 01:41 AM

I think the people that voted "Yes" the first time around are voting "Yes" again. Some of the people that voted "No" the first time around now will vote "Maybe". I'd bet the amount of people jumping from "No" to "Yes" is low.

Topcat · 10-28-2007, 03:27 AM

NO and still a resounding NO! I do not care if he helps them improve I think long term his decision making will set the Reds back. What I am personally hoping for is they win in spite of him and that Wayne K will say Dusty you mess with the Crown Jewel arms of this team I will gut you like a fish. Emotional yes........ but I just hope a man who has made mistakes from the past learns and prospers as our skipper but not at the cost of long term contention. Something is building here finally and I want to enjoy it long term.

GAC · 10-28-2007, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer

Hell no. Still.

Exactly. I tempered my anger and rashness a couple of days later because it's something we, as Red fans, have to live with and can't change; but I don't care one bit for the guy's hiring, and my opinion has not changed.

We finally went outside the organization and got that 'big name" manager. Whoppee!

StillFunkyB · 10-28-2007, 09:02 AM

I can't even really put a finger on why I dislike Dusty Baker. Maybe part of it is because he used to manage the Cubs, and I look at it like if the Buckeyes hired Lloyd Carr or something like that.

However, I am glad that they went outside "the family" to get someone. I just wish it would have been someone else.

I answered no to the poll, but really I didn't care for any of the managers out there that were talked about. I really, really, really didn't want Larussa, and Torre didn't really tickle my fancy. I'm glad they didn't go after Brenly as well.

Joseph · 10-28-2007, 11:34 AM

Liked it to begin with, like it now.

Ron Madden · 10-28-2007, 11:58 AM

Still NO.

I aint seen nothing yet.

Chip R · 10-28-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAC

Exactly. I tempered my anger and rashness a couple of days later because it's something we, as Red fans, have to live with and can't change; but I don't care one bit for the guy's hiring, and my opinion has not changed.

We finally went outside the organization and got that 'big name" manager. Whoppee!

What's this "we" stuff? Are you speaking for your children or did a bunch of Reds fans invade your house?

Spring~Fields · 10-28-2007, 12:37 PM

Dusty, just like anyone else, is going to have to earn the respect and appreciation for his management style by the various results that he obtains with individuals, team and overall results for a sustained period of time.

In basketball and football a man and his staff are recognized for their ability to get the most out of their individual performers to make the team better, they have an ability to take what they have and make them better, can Dusty and his staff do that with what the Reds resources are? It remains to be seen.

RedsManRick · 10-28-2007, 02:35 PM

While I've calmed a bit, I still don't like it. While I do like the implications in so far as it shows that they are committed to putting a winner out there, it still begs the question to me their attitude towards an analytical approach. I worry that we're a bit too heavy on the old school methods without actually having that sort of expertise in house.

10-27-2007, 10:45 PM	#1
RFS62 Hey Cubs Fans Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New York Posts: 16,567	"The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Now that the Dust has settled, it might be interesting to see if people's opinions have changed. The first time we ran this poll, the results were overwhelmingly against hiring Dusty Baker as manager. 63.87% voted "No" to the question "Are you happy with the Reds hiring Dusty Baker as manager?" A tremendous discussion ensued, and I wonder how many, if any, minds were changed. So, the same question again with the same options. Are you happy with the Reds hiring Dusty Baker as manager? __________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

10-27-2007, 10:55 PM	#2
edabbs44 Box of Frogs Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 15,818	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Went "no" before, and now I am in the "unsure" bucket. It all depends on how the rest of the off-season plays out. If Wayne is shopping the clearance rack at the thrift shop looking for the next Stanton or Cormier, then there will be nothing left to say. If they put their money where their mouths are this time, then I'll care less that Dusty is the manager. Dusty will have no prayer if Wayne releases Bullpen Bloodbath III next season.

10-27-2007, 11:43 PM	#3
BoydsOfSummer So Long Uncle Joe Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hamilton,Ohio Posts: 3,849	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Hell no. Still. __________________ 0 Value Over Replacement Poster "Sit over here next to Johnathan (Bench)...sit right here, he's smart."--Sparky Anderson

10-28-2007, 12:34 AM	#4
Unassisted RZ Chamber of Commerce Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 13,222	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two I was unsure before and I will continue to be unsure until I see some changes attributable to Dusty. __________________ /r/reds

10-28-2007, 01:31 AM	#5
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Still a big No over here. I expect the Unsures will pick up. __________________ Go Gators!

View Poll Results: Are you happy with the selection of Dusty Baker as manager?
Yes	27	23.89%
No	55	48.67%
Unsure	31	27.43%
Voters: 113. You may not vote on this poll

10-28-2007, 01:36 AM	#6
WVRedsFan Lime in da Coconut Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Rainelle, WV Posts: 7,712	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two My first time around, I voted "no" and I still did mainly because. You know, just because. Truth is, as we get away from the shock of it all, I see some positives. The main positives are: 1. He isn't a manager who doesn't have a record. Since Jack McKeon, we've had Bob Boone (losing record), Dave Miley (no record), Jerry Narron (losing record), and Pete Macklanin (no record). Now some may say a manager makes no difference, but I differ with this opinion. There's a reson why some guys win and others lose. Dusty is a winner. 2. He may have connections. OK, so maybe not, but you have to admit that Boone, Miley, and Narron didn't have any that we knew of. Well, maybe the Josh Hamilton connection, but that was a shot in the dark. Truth is that we have hired so many nobodies, it a wonder we have done as well as we have. 3. He's good with the press if you're not Steve Stone. And he's good with the players. Listening to Boone,. Miley, and Narron was torture. Same old lines game after game. At least with Dusty there's no Gene Mauch connection (why do I want to drive a stake into the heart of anyone who has that connection??). The players will be happy and they'll love him -- if they win. It's easy to hate someone when you lose. His record probably means we'll probably win more than we lose so it assures us of a happy clubhouse. As for the press, Steve Stone isn't here (or Kurt Merkur for that matter), so it should be OK. As much as I hate to say it, he needs to have a chance. We gave that chance to Boone (well, barely), Miley (after a year and a half honeymoon) and Narron (I stil can hear the arguments for why he should not be blamed for the downward slide he presided over). We loved Mack just because the team won two more games than they lost. He deserves a chance to prove his worth.

10-28-2007, 01:41 AM	#7
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,628	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two I think the people that voted "Yes" the first time around are voting "Yes" again. Some of the people that voted "No" the first time around now will vote "Maybe". I'd bet the amount of people jumping from "No" to "Yes" is low.

10-28-2007, 03:27 AM	#8
Topcat Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,928	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two NO and still a resounding NO! I do not care if he helps them improve I think long term his decision making will set the Reds back. What I am personally hoping for is they win in spite of him and that Wayne K will say Dusty you mess with the Crown Jewel arms of this team I will gut you like a fish. Emotional yes........ but I just hope a man who has made mistakes from the past learns and prospers as our skipper but not at the cost of long term contention. Something is building here finally and I want to enjoy it long term. __________________ 2006 Redzone mock Draftee's- 1(st) Daniel Bard(redsox), 1(st sup)( Jordan Walden (Angels), 2(nd) rd.- Zach Britton(Orioles), 3(rd) Blair Erickson(Cardinals), 3(rd) Tim Norton( Yankees),(cuz its a Tim Hortons thing Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

10-28-2007, 09:02 AM	#10
StillFunkyB Your killin' me Smalls! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 3,098	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two I can't even really put a finger on why I dislike Dusty Baker. Maybe part of it is because he used to manage the Cubs, and I look at it like if the Buckeyes hired Lloyd Carr or something like that. However, I am glad that they went outside "the family" to get someone. I just wish it would have been someone else. I answered no to the poll, but really I didn't care for any of the managers out there that were talked about. I really, really, really didn't want Larussa, and Torre didn't really tickle my fancy. I'm glad they didn't go after Brenly as well. __________________ "And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul." FCB on Gary Majewski

10-28-2007, 11:34 AM	#11
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,122	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Liked it to begin with, like it now. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

10-28-2007, 11:58 AM	#12
Ron Madden Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,815	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Still NO. I aint seen nothing yet.

10-28-2007, 12:37 PM	#14
Spring~Fields Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 8,630	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two Dusty, just like anyone else, is going to have to earn the respect and appreciation for his management style by the various results that he obtains with individuals, team and overall results for a sustained period of time. In basketball and football a man and his staff are recognized for their ability to get the most out of their individual performers to make the team better, they have an ability to take what they have and make them better, can Dusty and his staff do that with what the Reds resources are? It remains to be seen.

10-28-2007, 02:35 PM	#15
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,917	Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two While I've calmed a bit, I still don't like it. While I do like the implications in so far as it shows that they are committed to putting a winner out there, it still begs the question to me their attitude towards an analytical approach. I worry that we're a bit too heavy on the old school methods without actually having that sort of expertise in house. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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