Bill James - Team-by-Team Talent Rankings

[westofyou]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ames.rankings/

Groundbreaking analyst Bill James, who is senior baseball operations advisor for the World Series champion Boston Red Sox, has published this provocative Young Talent Inventory in The Bill James Handbook 2008, available as of Nov. 1, 2007. He is also working on a new book to be published in February, entitled The Bill James Gold Mine 2008. For further information on these books go to http://www.actasports.com/.

The number one team in terms of Young Talent is the Colorado Rockies, and here I'm going to have to revert to giving the values I assigned to each player, even though there is no real frame of reference for it. I credit the Rockies with 1,902 points worth of young talent -- 1,008 to the hitters, 895 for the pitchers, it rounds down. This is a team-by-team summary:

1. Rockies | Hitters: 1008 | Pitchers: 895 | Total: 1902
Four Grade-A young players, in Tulowitzki, Holliday, Jeff Francis and Manny Corpas Delecti, with three more young and somewhat good or good and somewhat young talents in Brad Hawpe, Garrett Atkins and Willy Taveras.

2. Tampa Bay | Hitters: 1072 | Pitchers: 778 | Total: 1850
Five Grade-A young players -- Kazmir, Shields, B. J. Upton, Delmon Young and Carl Crawford. I know that a lot of people would list Delmon Young in the top five young players in baseball, but I don't see that his performance justifies that, and this isn't about scouting reports or press clippings, it's about performance. Edwin Jackson just misses being A grade, and Sonnanstine ain't bad, either.

3. Arizona | Hitters: 930 | Pitchers: 861 | Total: 1791
Four young players among the top 75 in baseball, which is how I defined "Grade A" -- Brandon Webb, Chris Young, Jose Valverde and Mark Reynolds, backed by Stephen Drew, Conor Jackson, Micah Owings and others.

4. FloridaMarlins | Hitters: 1181 | Pitchers: 605 | Total: 1787
Hanley, Cabrera and Jeremy Hermida are Grade A, Dontrelle Willis has slipped to a B because of his off season and Dan Uggla is a B because he is 27, but he's good, too. Scott Olsen is in there.

5. Cleveland Indians | Hitters: 970 | Pitchers: 735 | Total: 1705
Three players on the top 25 list (above), backed by Jhonny Peralta, Ryan Garko and Victor Martinez. Victor is 28, which is half-young.

6. Milwaukee | Hitters: 1237 | Pitchers: 440 | Total: 1677
They have the best young position players in baseball, and I believe they are the only team that has six Grade A young players (Fielder, Braun, Corey Hart, J. J. Hardy, Yovani Gallardo and Rickie Weeks.) But the great young pitchers they had a couple of years ago all looked at the defense behind them and decided their best shot was to hide out on the disabled list for a couple of years.

7. Pittsburgh | Hitters: 752 | Pitchers: 867 | Total: 1619
The future is looking better with two good young starters (Gorzelanny and Snell), and a crack reliever (Capps). Maholm is a maybe (another starter) and Jose Bautista's a maybe at third...team needs Jason Bay to get back where he was.

8. Kansas City | Hitters: 837 | Pitchers: 664 | Total: 1501
More depth than flash, with reliever Joakim Soria and third baseman Alex Gordon scoring as low A's, but lots of depth with Greinke, Teahen, Butler, Bannister, DeJesus and Pena.

9. Oakland | Hitters: 617 | Pitchers: 851 | Total: 1468
Oakland has a different set of expectations than most of the young teams, like Pittsburgh and Kansas City, Tampa Bay. Oakland is accustomed to winning. Three starters are Grade A (Haren, Blanton and Gaudin), Huston Street, Travis Buck and Nick Swisher are B's and could be A's, but the injuries to Chavez, the failure of Dan Johnson to develop, and the wipeout of Rich (Hardy Harr) Harden have pushed the team at least temporarily off course.

10. Toronto | Hitters: 561 | Pitchers: 841 | Total: 1402
Grade A: Alex Rios, Jeremy Accardo, Aaron Hill
Grade B: Dustin McGowan, Shaun Marcum, Jesse Litsch, Casey Janssen

11. Minnesota | Hitters: 679 | Pitchers: 717 | Total: 1396
Grade A: Morneau
Grade B: Mauer, Santana, Kubel, Baker, Bartlett, Bonser, Cuddyer Mauer being evaluated in an off year, Santana is great but no longer so young.

12. Philadelphia | Hitters: 737 | Pitchers: 640 | Total: 1377
Grade A: Cole Hamels, Kyle Kendrick, Jimmy Rollins
Grade B: Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Brett Myers, Shane Victorino
Most of the team has exited "young" and entered "prime", but is holding on to pieces of their youth.

13. Washington | Hitters: 732 | Pitchers: 538 | Total: 1270
Grade A: Ryan Zimmerman, Chad Cordero
Grade B: Matt Chico, Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez

14. San Diego | Hitters: 580 | Pitchers: 645 | Total: 1225
Grade A: Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez
Grade B: Kouzmanoff, Khalil Greene, Justin Germano, Chris Young

15. LA Angels | Hitters: 524 | Pitchers: 674 | Total: 1198
Grade A: K-Rod is still young enough to Grade A, although it seems like he has been around forever. Also Jered Weaver.
Grade B: Kotchman and Howie Kendrick

16. Atlanta | Hitters: 884 | Pitchers: 301 | Total: 1185
Grade A: Francoeur and Kelly Johnson
Grade B: Brian McCann, Mark Teixeira, Chuck James, Yunel Escobar
A year ago McCann rated very, very high after what may have been a fluke year.

17. New York Mets | Hitters: 711 | Pitchers: 455 | Total: 1166
Grade A: Wright, Reyes, John Maine and Oliver Perez
Grade B: None
Competitive teams don't have as much room to let young players thrash around, and consequently most of the top teams don't show as having a lot of young talent. They may have the young talent; it just isn't in the lineup yet.

18. Boston Red Sox | Hitters: 500 | Pitchers: 656 | Total: 1156
Grade A: Dustin Pedroia, Jon Papelbon, Josh Beckett and Daisuke Matsuzaka.
Grade B: Youkilis and Coco Crisp.
The young players Boston is most excited about, Ellsbury and Buchholz, don't show up yet because they spent most of the 2007 season in the minors.

19. San Francisco | Hitters: 220 | Pitchers: 877 | Total: 1098
Grade A: Matt Cain
Grade B: Lincecum and Noah Lowry.
The young pitching is very good, but it would be the understatement of the Bay to say that the lineup needs a lot of work.

20. Dodgers | Hitters: 702 | Pitchers: 347 | Total: 1049
Grade A: Billingsley, Russell Martin, James Loney and Matt Kemp
Grade B: Andre Ethier, Jonathan Broxton.

21. Texas Rangers | Hitters: 450 | Pitchers: 491 | Total: 941
Grade A: None
Grade B: Kinsler
Players acquired in mid-season (Saltalamacchia, Gabbard, Murphy) may grade better next year.

22. Baltimore | Hitters: 336 | Pitchers: 552 | Total: 888
Grade A: Markakis
Grade B: Erik Bedard, Daniel Cabrera, Jeremy Guthrie.
Bedard is great, but not a Grade A young player because he is 28.

23. Cincinnati Reds | Hitters: 686 | Pitchers: 201 | Total 887
Grade A: Brandon Phillips
Grade B: Edwin Encarnacion, Adam Dunn

24. White Sox | Hitters: 252 | Pitchers: 636 | Total: 888
Grade A: Bobby Jenks
Grade B: Jon Garland, Mark Buerhle, John Danks 430

25. Seattle | Hitters: 339 | Pitchers: 543 | Total: 882
Grade A: Felix Hernandez
Grade B: Yuniesky Betancourt, Jose Lopez

26. Cardinals | Hitters: 557 | Pitchers: 307 | Total: 864
Grade A: Adam Wainwright, Albert Pujols
Grade B: None
Let me note that there is almost no difference here between spots 22 and 26...they're all really about even.

27. Yankees | Hitters: 432 | Pitchers: 390 | Total: 822
Grade A: Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera, Chien-Ming Wang
Grade B: None

28. Detroit | Hitters: 270 | Pitchers: 545 | Total: 814
Grade A: Verlander, Granderson, Bonderman
Grade B: None
Grade C: None
The Cardinals at least have three C's, in Chris Duncan, Brad Thompson
and Yadier Molina. The Tigers are heavily dependant on the veteran stars that they brought in.

29. Cubs | Hitters: 228 | Pitchers: 541 | Total: 769
Grade A: Carlos Zambrano
Grade B: Rich Hill, Carlos Marmol
Theriot, Marshall and Murton are C's.

30. Astros | Hitters: 255 | Pitchers: 171 | Total: 425
Grade A: Hunter Pence
Grade B: None

It will be interesting to see, looking backward ten years from now, to what extent the possession of young talent has predicted the pennant races of 2008-2012. I sort-of studied that a year ago, but only time and repetitions will really show us what that relationship is.

[TOBTTReds]

I'm guessing Dunn is a Grade B because he is older...I hope.

[Joseph]

Dunn is still young, born in 1979, but Johan Santana is not...born in 1979 also?

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by AvesIce51

I'm guessing Dunn is a Grade B because he is older...I hope.

[BCubb2003]

Originally Posted by Joseph

Dunn is still young, born in 1979, but Johan Santana is not...born in 1979 also?

There's hitter's years and pitcher's years.

[TOBTTReds]

Originally Posted by Joseph

Dunn is still young, born in 1979, but Johan Santana is not...born in 1979 also?

JS is also one of the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball. Dunn is not a top 3 player. Age was overlooked for santana bc he is so unbelievably good.

As far as the glove goes WOY, I do see BJ Upton in there as an A. But he is younger too. Rickie Weeks made Grade A... i say wow for glove and bat. Not in the top 75 players for sure.

among the top 75 in baseball, which is how I defined "Grade A"

[TOBTTReds]

17. New York Mets | Hitters: 711 | Pitchers: 455 | Total: 1166
Grade A: Wright, Reyes, John Maine and Oliver Perez

Losing credibility quickly.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by AvesIce51

Losing credibility quickly.

Bill James?

It will take a bit more then that.

[TOBTTReds]

Originally Posted by westofyou

Bill James?

It will take a bit more then that.

Why, does he have a history or something? haha. I meant the list.

[jojo]

Stats people are just so full of it....complementing the Devil Ray rotation...thats just silly talk.

[pedro]

Originally Posted by jojo

Stats people are just so full of it....complementing the Devil Ray rotation...thats just silly talk.

sweet, sweet vindication eh?

[Ron Madden]

That list is a load of bunk.

He has the Reds listed at #23? How can that be?

Bill James needs to do more research. He should at least read the Minor League Talk section on RedsZone, then he would understand just how loaded the Reds are with young talent.

[Jpup]

Why isn't Josh Hamilton on the list?

[blumj]

Originally Posted by Jpup

Why isn't Josh Hamilton on the list?

I'd guess he used some standard for amount of playing time that Hamilton didn't make?

[lollipopcurve]

If you're doing team rankings of young talent, I'd think you'd want to focus on -- or at least include -- players the teams will be able to control for the next few years. Instead, there are players on these lists who will be eligible for free agency soon. So, this is more a snapshot than a forecast.

Kyle Kendrick an A, and Ryan Howard and Chase Utley Bs? Sorry, James may be esteemed, but he may also be inebriated.