Here's what Beane is asking for Haren... - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Benihana · 12-03-2007, 09:53 AM

Billy Beane is asking the Yankees for 2 of the 3 between Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain, and asking the Red Sox for 2 of the 3 between Lester, Buchholz and Ellsbury.

Following this logic, it is clear what he would ask for from the Reds: 2 of the 3 out of Bruce, Bailey, and Cueto. (He has no need for Votto because they already have 1B/DH filled.) Would you give up 2 of those 3 for Haren?

Also, apparently although he has said he has no interest in signing an extension in Baltimore, the Orioles asking price for Bedard is SKY HIGH, as in 4 top prospects. If that's true, I guess we can cross him off of our shopping list.

Highlifeman21 · 12-03-2007, 10:11 AM

I would give up Bailey and Cueto for Haren, but not Bruce.

Bailey and Cueto for Haren is probably the easiest decision Wayne would ever have in his GM career.

icehole3 · 12-03-2007, 10:11 AM

real simple, if thats the case no deal

Johnny Footstool · 12-03-2007, 10:12 AM

Bruce and either Bailey or Cueto for a 27 year old stud pitcher making less than $7 million per year for the next two seasons, plus an option for a third season.

I'd make that trade and brag about it. I'd also start thinking about how much to charge for playoff tickets.

WMR · 12-03-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlifeman21

I would give up Bailey and Cueto for Haren, but not Bruce.

Bailey and Cueto for Haren is probably the easiest decision Wayne would ever have in his GM career.

Either of Bailey and Cueto and another non-top-4 prospect, not both. And if he thinks he's getting Bruce AND either Bailey/Cueto, he's crazy. You knew the asking price for Haren would be incredibly high though.

Highlifeman21 · 12-03-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by icehole3

real simple, if thats the case no deal

Real simple, hypothetical talent (Bailey and Cueto) vs actual talent (Haren).

Racehorses are real. Unicorns? Not so much.

WMR · 12-03-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlifeman21

Real simple, hypothetical talent (Bailey and Cueto) vs actual talent (Haren).

Racehorses are real. Unicorns? Not so much.

Nothing hypothetical about Bailey and Cueto at this point. They are both TOR-type guys... and sooner rather than later.

Kc61 · 12-03-2007, 10:24 AM

Hamilton, either Cueto or Bailey (Reds keep the one with better internal scouting report), and a third guy either Stubbs, or Wood, or Roenicke. May not be exactly what Oak wants, but I don't know if anyone will offer more value.

M2 · 12-03-2007, 10:26 AM

I wouldn't assume Votto doesn't appeal to the A's.

He looks like a better hitter than Daric Barton at this point and Oakland needs offense.

Also, what the A's are asking and what they can get might be two different things. One of Bailey/Cueto, Stubbs and Maloney might be enough to tempt the A's. Might not, but the Reds don't need to lead with Bailey and Cueto.

Yet I would say that of all the arms who are supposedly being shopped this winter, Haren is, by far, the most valuable to the Reds. He costs $4M, $5.5M and $6.75M the next three seasons. This is probably the guy Krivsky has to get. If it ultimately costs Bailey and Cueto ... well, we knew this wouldn't be easy.

WMR · 12-03-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by M2

I wouldn't assume Votto doesn't appeal to the A's.

He looks like a better hitter than Daric Barton at this point and Oakland needs offense.

Also, what the A's are asking and what they can get might be two different things. One of Bailey/Cueto, Stubbs and Maloney might be enough to tempt the A's. Might not, but the Reds don't need to lead with Bailey and Cueto.

Yet I would say that of all the arms who are supposedly being shopped this winter, Haren is, by far, the most valuable to the Reds. He costs $4M, $5.5M and $6.75M the next three seasons. This is probably the guy Krivsky has to get. If it ultimately costs Bailey and Cueto ... well, we knew this wouldn't be easy.

What if he insisted on Bruce and either Cueto/Bailey?

Joseph · 12-03-2007, 10:29 AM

I'd think long and hard about it.

Besides, if we deal Bailey and Cueto for Haren, we still have Howington, Gruler, Pauly, and Gardner waiting in the wings......oops.

MartyFan · 12-03-2007, 10:31 AM

I guess it comes down to if we value POTENTIAL more than RESULTS...I love the potential of both Cueto and Bailey but we have seen Haren dominate his opponents.

M2 · 12-03-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS

What if he insisted on Bruce and either Cueto/Bailey?

Bruce would be untouchable if it were up to me. Take him off the table at the start of the talks and smack the opposing GM's hand every time he reaches for Bruce.

M2 · 12-03-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyFan

I guess it comes down to if we value POTENTIAL more than RESULTS...I love the potential of both Cueto and Bailey but we have seen Haren dominate his opponents.

Excellent point.

WMR · 12-03-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by M2

Bruce would be untouchable if it were up to me. Take him off the table at the start of the talks and smack the opposing GM's hand every time he reaches for Bruce.

12-03-2007, 09:53 AM	#1
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,406	Here's what Beane is asking for Haren... Billy Beane is asking the Yankees for 2 of the 3 between Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain, and asking the Red Sox for 2 of the 3 between Lester, Buchholz and Ellsbury. Following this logic, it is clear what he would ask for from the Reds: 2 of the 3 out of Bruce, Bailey, and Cueto. (He has no need for Votto because they already have 1B/DH filled.) Would you give up 2 of those 3 for Haren? Also, apparently although he has said he has no interest in signing an extension in Baltimore, the Orioles asking price for Bedard is SKY HIGH, as in 4 top prospects. If that's true, I guess we can cross him off of our shopping list. __________________ Go BLUE!!! Last edited by Benihana; 12-03-2007 at 09:58 AM.

12-03-2007, 10:11 AM	#2
Highlifeman21 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN Posts: 8,694	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... I would give up Bailey and Cueto for Haren, but not Bruce. Bailey and Cueto for Haren is probably the easiest decision Wayne would ever have in his GM career.

12-03-2007, 10:11 AM	#3
icehole3 Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,027	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... real simple, if thats the case no deal

12-03-2007, 10:12 AM	#4
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,663	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... Bruce and either Bailey or Cueto for a 27 year old stud pitcher making less than $7 million per year for the next two seasons, plus an option for a third season. I'd make that trade and brag about it. I'd also start thinking about how much to charge for playoff tickets. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

12-03-2007, 10:24 AM	#8
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,821	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... Hamilton, either Cueto or Bailey (Reds keep the one with better internal scouting report), and a third guy either Stubbs, or Wood, or Roenicke. May not be exactly what Oak wants, but I don't know if anyone will offer more value.

12-03-2007, 10:26 AM	#9
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,668	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... I wouldn't assume Votto doesn't appeal to the A's. He looks like a better hitter than Daric Barton at this point and Oakland needs offense. Also, what the A's are asking and what they can get might be two different things. One of Bailey/Cueto, Stubbs and Maloney might be enough to tempt the A's. Might not, but the Reds don't need to lead with Bailey and Cueto. Yet I would say that of all the arms who are supposedly being shopped this winter, Haren is, by far, the most valuable to the Reds. He costs $4M, $5.5M and $6.75M the next three seasons. This is probably the guy Krivsky has to get. If it ultimately costs Bailey and Cueto ... well, we knew this wouldn't be easy. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

12-03-2007, 10:29 AM	#11
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,121	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... I'd think long and hard about it. Besides, if we deal Bailey and Cueto for Haren, we still have Howington, Gruler, Pauly, and Gardner waiting in the wings......oops. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

12-03-2007, 10:31 AM	#12
MartyFan You're soaking in it! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,334	Re: Here's what it would take for Haren... I guess it comes down to if we value POTENTIAL more than RESULTS...I love the potential of both Cueto and Bailey but we have seen Haren dominate his opponents. __________________ "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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