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New Fever · 01-02-2008, 03:22 PM

He just said they ranked the organizations farm systems already for the handbook and he gave the top 5: 1. Rays
2. Red Sox
3. Reds
4. Rangers
5. Yankees

Interesting that the Reds are the only NL team in the top 5.

RedsManRick · 01-02-2008, 03:25 PM

It must really stink to be an Orioles or Blue Jays fan. I would be so depressed if I had to beat the Yankees or Sox to make the playoffs.

It would be interesting to see how the list would look if you ignore the top 5 prospects in each system. The ongoing prospect poll shows me that we've got about twice as many "legitimate" prospects than we had just a few years back.

New Fever · 01-02-2008, 03:41 PM

Yes, Callis also said in the chat that you have to high ceiling talent and depth to rank high on the list.

princeton · 01-02-2008, 04:14 PM

Good. BA rankings help GMs to explain their trades to the sportswriters and ultimately to the fanbase.

congratulations to the Reds. Now, trade a lot of these guys away and get better.

lollipopcurve · 01-02-2008, 04:25 PM

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Now, trade a lot of these guys away

Some, not a lot -- you have to have the young talent infusing the major league club too.

Keep some, trade some. If you gut it, you waste it.

HBP · 01-02-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by New Fever

Yes, Callis also said in the chat that you have to high ceiling talent and depth to rank high on the list.

As well as having a team nickname that starts with R

princeton · 01-02-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

Some, not a lot -- you have to have the young talent infusing the major league club too.

Keep some, trade some. If you gut it, you waste it.

Rays and Brewers and Pirates sat on theirs, managed to get mediocre or to stay dreadful.

trust your depth. Deal from off the top. Don't sit around and wait for the Yugos to come off the line.

dougdirt · 01-02-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by princeton

Rays and Brewers and Pirates sat on theirs, managed to get mediocre or to stay dreadful.

trust your depth. Deal from off the top. Don't sit around and wait for the Yugos to come off the line.

Yeah, those Brewers are really hating Prince Fielder, Yo Gallardo and Ryan Braun these days.....

As for the Rays, give them just a little more time. They have got something brewing down there.

As for the Pirates.... they just seem to have problems doing anything right.

TRF · 01-02-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

As for the Pirates.... they just seem to have problems doing anything right.

So do the Reds. 8 years and not a single draft pick in the starting 8. Votto will likely be the first since... Dunn? Is that right?

ugh.

dougdirt · 01-02-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TRF

So do the Reds. 8 years and not a single draft pick in the starting 8. Votto will likely be the first since... Dunn? Is that right?

ugh.

There were some really ugly drafts in there, 2002 had Votto and Denorfia for position guys and Calvin Medlock for relievers (granted he isn't with us anymore). Jimbo had some wonderful drafts there toward the end of his regime.

KoryMac5 · 01-02-2008, 07:58 PM

I think the Pirates unfortunately have the same kind of luck we had with the health of young pitchers.

princeton · 01-03-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Yeah, those Brewers are really hating Prince Fielder, Yo Gallardo and Ryan Braun these days.....

As for the Rays, give them just a little more time. They have got something brewing down there.

As for the Pirates.... they just seem to have problems doing anything right.

you're constantly trying to explain why mediocrity and failure are acceptable. You're just different than those of us that want a champion.

Dodgers have long had a very deep farm system. They've clung to it with a death grip, and it has not resurrected them. Devil Rays will be the same way.

The 2000-1 Reds had a very highly regarded system, and refused to use it to acquire pitching. I don't want to do that again.

you really only play about 18, 20 guys. If you're really as deep as the Reds look, then you can't play 'em all. use that depth to find 18 or 20 guys that go together well.

edabbs44 · 01-03-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by New Fever

Yes, Callis also said in the chat that you have to high ceiling talent and depth to rank high on the list.

Though I am curious how the system will be ranked next year if the top 4 are not eligible. While there may be depth, I'm curious as to how high the ceilings are after the big names. I don't think things are as rosy.

A lot can happen this season, hopefully most guys in the 2nd tier keep improving.

Triples · 01-03-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

There were some really ugly drafts in there, 2002 had Votto and Denorfia for position guys and Calvin Medlock for relievers (granted he isn't with us anymore). Jimbo had some wonderful drafts there toward the end of his regime.

All the more amazing that in just a 3 or 4 years the Reds have gone from farm system nearly devoid of talent to the top 5.

lollipopcurve · 01-03-2008, 10:46 AM

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All the more amazing that in just a 3 or 4 years the Reds have gone from farm system nearly devoid of talent to the top 5.

Terry Reynolds nailed two first-rounders, Almaraz had deposited Cueto before hightailing it to Atlanta, an old comp pick made a steady rise to AAA (Votto) and Buckley had a couple of solid drafts providing depth.

This year they have another high pick (#7) -- it's a pretty critical one, in my estimation, as they won't have any comp picks or a second rounder.

01-02-2008, 03:22 PM	#1
New Fever Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Memphis Posts: 756	Jim Callis Espn Chat He just said they ranked the organizations farm systems already for the handbook and he gave the top 5: 1. Rays 2. Red Sox 3. Reds 4. Rangers 5. Yankees Interesting that the Reds are the only NL team in the top 5.

01-02-2008, 03:25 PM	#2
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,987	Re: Jim Callis Espn Chat It must really stink to be an Orioles or Blue Jays fan. I would be so depressed if I had to beat the Yankees or Sox to make the playoffs. It would be interesting to see how the list would look if you ignore the top 5 prospects in each system. The ongoing prospect poll shows me that we've got about twice as many "legitimate" prospects than we had just a few years back. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

01-02-2008, 03:41 PM	#3
New Fever Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Memphis Posts: 756	Re: Jim Callis Espn Chat Yes, Callis also said in the chat that you have to high ceiling talent and depth to rank high on the list.

01-02-2008, 04:14 PM	#4
princeton Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: princeton, nj Posts: 9,482	Re: Jim Callis Espn Chat Good. BA rankings help GMs to explain their trades to the sportswriters and ultimately to the fanbase. congratulations to the Reds. Now, trade a lot of these guys away and get better.

01-02-2008, 07:58 PM	#11
KoryMac5 Kmac5 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waterloo, NY Posts: 3,661	Re: Jim Callis Espn Chat I think the Pirates unfortunately have the same kind of luck we had with the health of young pitchers. __________________ If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.

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