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redsmetz · 01-16-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulrichjr

I think we could have beat this easily. Seems like we missed the best/cheapest option this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3199601

CHICAGO -- Jon Lieber, a 20-game winner for the Chicago Cubs in 2001, rejoined the team Wednesday by agreeing to a $3.5 million, one-year contract.

Of course, we don't know if we offered the same or more - my guess it came down to wanting to play for the team with the better shot at making the post-season (not to mention the TV coverage for the Cubs) - he'll be seen.

hippie07 · 01-16-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

I remember reading that Hendry offered Marshall and a prospect for Hamilton and Krivsky said no.

I know that this is extremely unlikey, but mlbtraderumors said that the Brian Roberts deal fell through because the O's were asking for too much .... I'd hate to deal BP, especially w/in the division because I think that he's the kind of building block to build a team around...

but if we could get something like Rich Hill & Sean Marshall for him... would you?

Blitz Dorsey · 01-16-2008, 05:06 PM

Yep, we can't forget that the bandbox of a stadium we play in definitely hurts our chances with FA pitchers. Why pitch here when you can pitch at Wrigley where the wind is usually blowing in (blows in more than it does out) and the OF dimensions are deeper, especially in the "well".

That said, if we didn't at least match this offer or offer $4 mil, we missed the boat IMO. Lieber is not great, but I would have LOVED to get him for one year at $4 mil. There just isn't much out there, especially at that price.

dougdirt · 01-16-2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hippie07

I know that this is extremely unlikey, but mlbtraderumors said that the Brian Roberts deal fell through because the O's were asking for too much .... I'd hate to deal BP, especially w/in the division because I think that he's the kind of building block to build a team around...

but if we could get something like Rich Hill & Sean Marshall for him... would you?

Every day of the week.

pahster · 01-16-2008, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hippie07

but if we could get something like Rich Hill & Sean Marshall for him... would you?

Absolutely. Unfortunately, I don't really see the Cubs offering them both. Who knows, though? They are the Cubs.

cincrazy · 01-16-2008, 06:13 PM

I don't think this division will be decided by a Jon Lieber signing. I think the Cubs are a better team, but I thought they were a better team before getting Lieber. At best, he'll be a fairly solid contributor, but can he stay healthy? And how will he perform in Wrigley with the wind blowing out? He could win 10-15 games, or he could appear in 10-15 games, it's hard to tell.

RedlegJake · 01-16-2008, 08:01 PM

Lieber is no great shakes but he does add veteran depth to a staff that arguably has the best rotation in the division. Nice signing for Cubs - it fits their needs and is cheap.

corkedbat · 01-16-2008, 08:45 PM

I was hoping for Lieber, if we went with a second tier FA. I've always thought of him as a bulldog-type who can win as much with savvy as stuff and thought he stood a decent chance of bouncing back with a decent season (not saying 20 wins, but solid innings for a back of rotation arm). I liked that his injury was not arm-related. I also thought he could be a strong role-model for the young guys.

If we had signed him for $4-5M for a year I would have been pleased (even with a reasonable club option for a second year). I'm not too down about it, but would have liked to had Lieber than Tomko at a similar number and I'm getting the sneaky feeling that that's what's coming (just a hunch).

WMR · 01-16-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redsmetz

Of course, we don't know if we offered the same or more - my guess it came down to wanting to play for the team with the better shot at making the post-season (not to mention the TV coverage for the Cubs) - he'll be seen.

99% chance that 4.5 million would have made all that noise go away.

WMR · 01-16-2008, 09:13 PM

Lieber was the veteran that I wanted the Reds to target. Oh well.

REDREAD · 01-16-2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulrichjr

I think we could have beat this easily. Seems like we missed the best/cheapest option this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3199601

CHICAGO -- Jon Lieber, a 20-game winner for the Chicago Cubs in 2001, rejoined the team Wednesday by agreeing to a $3.5 million, one-year contract.
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I think Wayne gave up on trying to win the division when he found out that he couldn't snatch Haren or Bedard for Homer.

He changed his strategy and made the Hamilton trade in hopes of maybe trying to win in 2009.

fearofpopvol1 · 01-16-2008, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hippie07

I know that this is extremely unlikey, but mlbtraderumors said that the Brian Roberts deal fell through because the O's were asking for too much .... I'd hate to deal BP, especially w/in the division because I think that he's the kind of building block to build a team around...

but if we could get something like Rich Hill & Sean Marshall for him... would you?

Absolutely. You could put Keppinger at SS and then all of a sudden, the Reds have an influx of pitching. I do think that the Cubs would ask for more than just Phillips for BOTH of those pitchers though, which would be fine.

Caveat Emperor · 01-17-2008, 01:13 AM

Everyone will have to excuse me for not wringing my hands over "losing out" a pitcher that has only been completely healthy 1 out of the past 5 seasons, will be 38 at the start of play in '08, is probably a 4.75-5.00 ERA pitcher at this stage of his career, and doesn't make many batters miss.

The numbers you'd get from Lieber are completely replaceable from many other sources.

Jpup · 01-17-2008, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDREAD

I think Wayne gave up on trying to win the division when he found out that he couldn't snatch Haren or Bedard for Homer.

He changed his strategy and made the Hamilton trade in hopes of maybe trying to win in 2009.

well, if that was the case, it was a bad decision unless Adam Dunn is signed past 2008. If he isn't, Josh Hamilton would have been a very good replacement IMO.

hippie07 · 01-17-2008, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

Absolutely. You could put Keppinger at SS and then all of a sudden, the Reds have an influx of pitching. I do think that the Cubs would ask for more than just Phillips for BOTH of those pitchers though, which would be fine.

Well, I think one report had both Hill & Marshall going to the O's for Roberts ... who knows if that was true, but the question is would you give up more or less for Phillips than you would for Roberts? ... I don't know.

But, probably the bigger question is .. would you give your #2 starter to your division rival? Probably not. However, if I were the Reds, I'd ask.

01-16-2008, 05:06 PM	#33
Blitz Dorsey Party like it's 1990 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,318	Re: Cubs Sign Jon Lieber Yep, we can't forget that the bandbox of a stadium we play in definitely hurts our chances with FA pitchers. Why pitch here when you can pitch at Wrigley where the wind is usually blowing in (blows in more than it does out) and the OF dimensions are deeper, especially in the "well". That said, if we didn't at least match this offer or offer $4 mil, we missed the boat IMO. Lieber is not great, but I would have LOVED to get him for one year at $4 mil. There just isn't much out there, especially at that price.

01-16-2008, 06:13 PM	#36
cincrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Vienna, OH Posts: 4,130	Re: Cubs Sign Jon Lieber I don't think this division will be decided by a Jon Lieber signing. I think the Cubs are a better team, but I thought they were a better team before getting Lieber. At best, he'll be a fairly solid contributor, but can he stay healthy? And how will he perform in Wrigley with the wind blowing out? He could win 10-15 games, or he could appear in 10-15 games, it's hard to tell.

01-16-2008, 08:01 PM	#37
RedlegJake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Kansas City, Mo Posts: 3,856	Re: Cubs Sign Jon Lieber Lieber is no great shakes but he does add veteran depth to a staff that arguably has the best rotation in the division. Nice signing for Cubs - it fits their needs and is cheap.

01-16-2008, 08:45 PM	#38
corkedbat Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lexington Posts: 4,951	Re: Cubs Sign Jon Lieber I was hoping for Lieber, if we went with a second tier FA. I've always thought of him as a bulldog-type who can win as much with savvy as stuff and thought he stood a decent chance of bouncing back with a decent season (not saying 20 wins, but solid innings for a back of rotation arm). I liked that his injury was not arm-related. I also thought he could be a strong role-model for the young guys. If we had signed him for $4-5M for a year I would have been pleased (even with a reasonable club option for a second year). I'm not too down about it, but would have liked to had Lieber than Tomko at a similar number and I'm getting the sneaky feeling that that's what's coming (just a hunch).

01-17-2008, 01:13 AM	#43
Caveat Emperor Titanic Struggles Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The 513 Posts: 12,134	Re: Cubs Sign Jon Lieber Everyone will have to excuse me for not wringing my hands over "losing out" a pitcher that has only been completely healthy 1 out of the past 5 seasons, will be 38 at the start of play in '08, is probably a 4.75-5.00 ERA pitcher at this stage of his career, and doesn't make many batters miss. The numbers you'd get from Lieber are completely replaceable from many other sources. __________________ Championships Matter. 22 Years and Counting...

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