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K-GAR · 04-03-2008, 05:41 PM

this was not bad managing by dusty, this was bad baseball by edwin, bunting is as easy as catching, the only difference is you catch the ball with the bat instead of a glove.

Dusty made the right call, down two runs:

runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st and 2nd with none.

That is how winning baseball is played, not playing for the three run-homer, we got lucky by getting the homer, but i guarantee you more often than not, we don't score any runs if we don't bunt

Va Red Fan · 04-03-2008, 05:44 PM

It worked - wew won. End of discussion.

TheBigLebowski · 04-03-2008, 05:58 PM

I want to make this clear, yet again, as it seems many people are missing my point:

I am not saying that bunting was the wrong call. I also do not think letting a batter like EdE swing away in a situation like that is a bad call. One can make a cogent argument defending either decision. I am not criticizing either.

My problem was with Dusty having EdE bunt. For whatever reason, it's a skill he does not possess. If Dusty wanted to bunt there he either needed to PH for EdE or just let him swing away. I have never seen anyone look quite as awkward trying to bunt as EdE.

bubbachunk · 04-03-2008, 06:38 PM

Dusty did the right thing. What if Edwin hits into a DP and Dusty never puts a bunt on? Then you ridicule him for being an idiot for not moving the runners over. Quit looking for something to whine about and just enjoy the win, dear god....

TheBigLebowski · 04-03-2008, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbachunk

Dusty did the right thing. What if Edwin hits into a DP and Dusty never puts a bunt on? Then you ridicule him for being an idiot for not moving the runners over. Quit looking for something to whine about and just enjoy the win, dear god....

Please...PLEASE read the post immediately preceding yours and read it carefully.

bubbachunk · 04-03-2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski

Please...PLEASE read the post immediately preceding yours and read it carefully.

He is a baseball player! Not all pitchers "posses" the skill to bunt but they are still asked to. You are talking like Dusty asked to kid to run through a brick wall. If he struggles bunting he should work on it more because it should be a given trait for a major leaguer.

TheBigLebowski · 04-03-2008, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbachunk

He is a baseball player! Not all pitchers "posses" the skill to bunt but they are still asked to. You are talking like Dusty asked to kid to run through a brick wall. If he struggles bunting he should work on it more because it should be a given trait for a major leaguer.

Completely agree that he should work on it more. He also needs to improve the accuracy of his throws. My point is that he was not the best person to have sacrificing in a critical situation. That's ALL. Not that EdE shouldn't have to worry about bunting. Not that the call to sacrifice in that situation was necessarily the wrong one. Not that Dusty is a bad manager.

bubbachunk · 04-03-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski

Completely agree that he should work on it more. He also needs to improve the accuracy of his throws. My point is that he was not the best person to have sacrificing in a critical situation. That's ALL. Not that EdE shouldn't have to worry about bunting. Not that the call to sacrifice in that situation was necessarily the wrong one. Not that Dusty is a bad manager.

And my point is no matter who is up in that situation you make the same call every time it is hands down the smart play. You cannot blame any manager for that.

K-GAR · 04-03-2008, 06:58 PM

bunting is A LOT more of a part of being a good baseball player than it is a skill. Just taking a few reps to lay a few down during BP is enough for someone as talented as EDE to be able to simply put one down, this is not a strategically placed drag bunt, just put it on the turf and he's done his job. bunting is a lot like the 15 foot jumper in basketball, it's a lost art because nobody works at it AT ALL. Every major leaguer should have ZERO problem laying down a bunt.

LouisvilleCARDS · 04-03-2008, 07:34 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. If he went up swinging and struck out, and then couldn't get the runners over the next two AB's, people would have said we should have bunted and it was bad managing to not to try to get the runners over. Everyone is a backseat manager here, what else is new? We won though, thats all that matters.

TheBigLebowski · 04-03-2008, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisvilleCARDS

Hindsight is 20/20. If he went up swinging and struck out, and then couldn't get the runners over the next two AB's, people would have said we should have bunted and it was bad managing to not to try to get the runners over. Everyone is a backseat manager here, what else is new? We won though, thats all that matters.

lol...I give.

Kingspoint · 04-03-2008, 07:54 PM

When is Hopper going to start? Is Dusty afraid he'll be proven wrong?

Kingspoint · 04-03-2008, 07:57 PM

11,987 announced attendance for Cueto's debut?

Are there no baseball fans in Cincinnati?

TheBigLebowski · 04-03-2008, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingspoint

11,987 announced attendance for Cueto's debut?

Are there no baseball fans in Cincinnati?

The fan turnout has been very poor thus far. Very disappointing.

mroby85 · 04-03-2008, 10:28 PM

some people need to realize there is waaaay more to the game than statistics. managers deal with REAL people, and set REAL atmospheres in clubhouses that can make a team better or worse. it's not all about stats on a sheet.

04-03-2008, 05:41 PM	#31
K-GAR Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 76	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty this was not bad managing by dusty, this was bad baseball by edwin, bunting is as easy as catching, the only difference is you catch the ball with the bat instead of a glove. Dusty made the right call, down two runs: runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st and 2nd with none. That is how winning baseball is played, not playing for the three run-homer, we got lucky by getting the homer, but i guarantee you more often than not, we don't score any runs if we don't bunt

04-03-2008, 05:44 PM	#32
Va Red Fan Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 117	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty It worked - wew won. End of discussion.

04-03-2008, 05:58 PM	#33
TheBigLebowski Winning the Human Race Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Titletown, FL Posts: 3,794	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty I want to make this clear, yet again, as it seems many people are missing my point: I am not saying that bunting was the wrong call. I also do not think letting a batter like EdE swing away in a situation like that is a bad call. One can make a cogent argument defending either decision. I am not criticizing either. My problem was with Dusty having EdE bunt. For whatever reason, it's a skill he does not possess. If Dusty wanted to bunt there he either needed to PH for EdE or just let him swing away. I have never seen anyone look quite as awkward trying to bunt as EdE. __________________ The land was farther away from the core and had much less gravity so bigness could develop and dominate -Jose Canseco

04-03-2008, 06:38 PM	#34
bubbachunk Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cincinnati/Athens Posts: 574	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty Dusty did the right thing. What if Edwin hits into a DP and Dusty never puts a bunt on? Then you ridicule him for being an idiot for not moving the runners over. Quit looking for something to whine about and just enjoy the win, dear god.... __________________ "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

04-03-2008, 06:58 PM	#39
K-GAR Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 76	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty bunting is A LOT more of a part of being a good baseball player than it is a skill. Just taking a few reps to lay a few down during BP is enough for someone as talented as EDE to be able to simply put one down, this is not a strategically placed drag bunt, just put it on the turf and he's done his job. bunting is a lot like the 15 foot jumper in basketball, it's a lost art because nobody works at it AT ALL. Every major leaguer should have ZERO problem laying down a bunt.

04-03-2008, 07:34 PM	#40
LouisvilleCARDS Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 664	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty Hindsight is 20/20. If he went up swinging and struck out, and then couldn't get the runners over the next two AB's, people would have said we should have bunted and it was bad managing to not to try to get the runners over. Everyone is a backseat manager here, what else is new? We won though, thats all that matters.

04-03-2008, 07:54 PM	#42
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,939	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty When is Hopper going to start? Is Dusty afraid he'll be proven wrong?

04-03-2008, 07:57 PM	#43
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,939	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty 11,987 announced attendance for Cueto's debut? Are there no baseball fans in Cincinnati?

04-03-2008, 10:28 PM	#45
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: BAD Managing By Dusty some people need to realize there is waaaay more to the game than statistics. managers deal with REAL people, and set REAL atmospheres in clubhouses that can make a team better or worse. it's not all about stats on a sheet.

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