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04-20-2008, 12:15 PM
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Making sense of it all
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Trade idea...
...not mine, but I thought I'd throw it to the masses...
Bronson Arroyo for Brandon Inge... Detroit has pitching issues, and the Reds have bat issues....both make about the same amount of money, and Inge is kind of out of place in Detroit...
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04-20-2008, 12:17 PM
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
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Re: Trade idea...
Bronson Arroyo is a better than league average starting pitcher. It seems that is continually undervalued. Inge is comparable in value to Freel.
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04-20-2008, 12:17 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
Shouldn't you be turning some dials and screaming for a break or something?
 As far as the trade...I'd do it the minute they deem Bailey to be ready. Maybe in mid-May when Granderson is fully back. Inge has more pop in the bat than Freel, and has shown he can play every day if needed to cover an injury. I'd even throw in a Marcus McBeth type player in the Tigers want more.
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04-20-2008, 12:19 PM
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Making sense of it all
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Re: Trade idea...
Nah....they don't listen to me
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04-20-2008, 12:21 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
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The problem with this trade is that Arroyo solves the Tiger's pitching woes, while Inge does absolutely nothing to solve our problems. You don't trade above average starters for players that only should be playing in abut a fifth of the games (Inge against lefties). Even then Inge is overrated and isn't likely to improve on the guy he replaces. I'm numb with confusion on why anyone would think this trade would make any sense for the Reds. |
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04-20-2008, 12:30 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
Yeah, I'd trade Arroyo but I don't get the love for Inge thing...
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04-20-2008, 12:36 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
With Inge's salary and contract issues, he has negative value. He has no place to play on our team, and that's saying something considering our woes against lefties.
I'd rather have Cantu, who is better and cheaper. Arroyo, if traded, could be moved for value. |
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04-20-2008, 12:51 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
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04-20-2008, 12:54 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
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EDIT: blumj beat me to it^^
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04-20-2008, 01:00 PM
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WOOOOO!!!
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Re: Trade idea...
Inge splits:
v. RH .229/.290/.375 v. LH .275/.346/.455 this includes over 600 really crappy AB's from back in his catching days. Inge could be a very useful utility guy and RH bench power bat. The Tigers better pay some of that salary, however. Another interesting Tiger, Marcus Thames: v. RH .225/.285/.470 v. LH .260/.332/.510 Pure power. He can play LF and 1B. Recently has been more productive than those career splits. That said, Bronson Arroyo should bring back more than some bench players...
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04-20-2008, 01:24 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
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Useful player perhaps, but he's a poor player. But trading Arroyo for him? And I wouldn't pay a fortune on a long term contract for a "useful" player. |
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04-20-2008, 01:40 PM
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04-20-2008, 01:56 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
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04-20-2008, 01:59 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
As an offensive answer, Inge is a great defender.
 At GABP, Brandon Inge would be something akin to David Bell having an above average year at the plate (above David Bell's average year not the leagues). With EE, I'm not sure why you'd play Inge at third but if you're not playing him at third, I'm not sure where you'd play him. Trading 200 IP for a guy Detroit couldn't give away in order to marginalize EE seems a bit like a Rube Goldberg construction. 
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04-20-2008, 05:08 PM
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Re: Trade idea...
I'd like to have Inge, but Arroyo is a little much. I would do it if the Tigers would send a couple of near ready guys over. Inge has a cannon for a right arm.
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