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Making sense of it all
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$22.5 Million dollars
*Mike Stanton, 3.5 mill owed this season after release
*Juan Castro, $975,000 for '08, 1.1 mill in '09 (club option/$100,000 buyout) *Todd Coffey, $925,00 for '08...increase of $517,500 when extended on April 28 of last year. *Bronson Arroyo, 6.45 mill '08 (3.95 mill base + 2.5 mill signing bonus) 9.5 mill '09, 11 mill '10, 11 mill '11 (club option/2mill buyout) *David Ross 2.5 mill '08, 3.5 mill '09 (club option/$375,00 buyout) *Scott Hatteberg, 1.85 mill '08 *Ryan Freel, 3 mill '08, 4 mill '09 *Corey Patterson, 3 mill '08 *Josh Fogg, 1 mill ($400,000 guaranteed) '08 TOTAL: 22.6 mill
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04-20-2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
Effective use of an expanded payroll. Take notes, up and coming GM's!
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04-20-2008, 06:18 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
Hatteberg would be a great pinch hitter. Not as a platoon player.
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04-20-2008, 06:19 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
I still think it's wayyyy too early to be upset about Arroyo.
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04-20-2008, 06:21 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
I was fine with Bronson's extension, so I have to remain consistant on that one
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04-20-2008, 06:21 PM
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Lance posted this on his blog on Sunday, and he's talking about money owed vs. dead weight and production. I think it is far too early to include Patterson, Freel, Hatteberg, Ross, Arroyo and Coffey on that list. All of those guys can and most probably will either stick with the team all year or be traded (along with their contracts) to other teams, for value. None of the guys mentioned above are in danger of being just dumped. Stanton, Castro and maybe Fogg are writeoffs from the bottom line. The Stanton money hurts the worst. I try to remember (when I am being kind to Wayne) that at the time Stanton was signed, the Reds had virtually no bullpen at all, and he was actually a positive acquisition. I think Fogg can possibly stick all year as a long reliever/spot starter. I think he'll get another chance or two before the Reds cut him loose. |
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04-20-2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
I guess I should have included that link....seeing as I work for the radio station
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04-20-2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
Josh Fogg reminds me of Kirk Saarloos...
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04-20-2008, 06:26 PM
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04-20-2008, 06:29 PM
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I think the guy is a bad fit for the Reds' park. |
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04-20-2008, 06:33 PM
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Fogg: 4.99, 4.96, 5.11, 5.25 Saarloos: 5.49, 4.71, 5.13, 4.94
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04-20-2008, 06:39 PM
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But it doesn't change the fact that Wayne jumped the gun on the extension. I thought it was odd at the time to extend someone when they had 2 years left on their contract at such a cheap price. Too much risk with pitchers who are hitting their 30s with the track record of a middle of the road pitcher. |
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04-20-2008, 06:48 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
I don't think I've ever seen people turn on a guy so quickly as some have with Arroyo. He's given up a few homers in a handful of starts and suddenly he's dead weight. Let's completely ignore the 450 IP of sub 4.00 ERA ball the past two years and focus on 4 starts.
He's suffering from his own success, unfortunately. He was ERA lucky in 2006 and regressed to his skill set in 2007. Now people assume after 4 starts that he's in some sort of serious regression.... uggh. If he continues to be what's he been, he easily merits the extension. You'd think after the sort of rotations we've had, people would appreciate the value of a reliable starter who gives you a QS 60% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I think we gave up a lot of value considering the contract he had when we first acquired him, but I hardly think it's the sort of contract we should be worried about. There's paying $11M for $8M in production, and then there's paying $8.5M for $0 in production (Stanton, Castro, Freel, Fogg). Paying "extra" for somebody who gives you positive production is less than ideal. But paying anything, and using roster spots, on guys who give you zero or sub-replacement production can completely torpedo your chances of competing.
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04-20-2008, 06:49 PM
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Re: $22.5 Million dollars
I remember when it was announced that Freel had signed his current contract.
His comment to the press was something to the effect that, "Man, I am being over-paid". Hey, I think he might have a point there. |
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04-20-2008, 06:53 PM
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