Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

[Sea Ray]

Reds manager Dusty Baker said the current turnover being experienced in the Reds front office - the team has had four general managers in six years - cannot be sustained if the team is to become successful.

"Good organizations keep a lot of the same people for a period of time if they're working well together," he said.

Not so sure I agree with Dusty there. The Cincinnati Bengals have had more stability in their organization than just about anyone and look what they have to show for it.

I could tell a year into OB's reign as GM that he wasn't going to cut it and needed to be fired yet many said "it's too early." I'd also argue that Bowden should have been fired sooner.

Therefore I'm fine with this firing. Walt Jocketty has the best resume of any Reds GM since Bob Howsome and he has a track record with BC.

[Matt700wlw]

Under Bowden, they may not have gotten Cordero...Bowden's such a talker, he would have said publically they were after him....Krvisky kept quiet, and the Brewers had no idea what hit them.

I liked that approach.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by redsmetz

Well the press conference is over. Some thoughts

Did Castellini not look absolutely exhausted? And he jumped some reporters tailend for including the previous ownerships GM changes in with his. He was harsh there.

Several times, I heard Jockety talk about delegating jobs. He said it enough times that it makes me think this may have been an issue.

I like Jockety's demeanor. I hope he doesn't empty the icebox too much.

Walt Jocketty is a great interview and consummate professional. He could sell property in North Dakota.

The team is in very capable hands with Walt.

However, I greatly dislike that this was carried out in the way it was. Stability matters, particularly when the Reds have as many arms as they do in as fluid a position as they are. I'd hate to see a massive turnover in development positions--coaches, advisers in the minors--in mid-stream like this.

Obviously, I'm very heartened that Jocketty & Co. will be running this year's draft. And I'm very happy that, more than likely, the strategy of dancing around the margins to find talent will be eschewed for the method of cutting straight to the talent that you need to accumulate to win at the MLB level.

[WVRedsFan]

Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Under Bowden, they may not have gotten Cordero...Bowden's such a talker, he would have said publically they were after him....Krvisky kept quiet, and the Brewers had no idea what hit them.

I liked that.

My understanding is that Cordero went to the Brewers with Krivsky's offer and they wouldn't match it. They gave him what they would do and Cordero bolted to the Reds. Since Cordero hasn't been used much, who knows how that will turn out?

[westofyou]

But patience is required

It's the seams that hold baseball together.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

I feel bad for the guy.

I don't. He made a lot of bone headed moves and blew a lot of BC's money.

I think he fought for his job because:

1) He knows the Reds future is bright

2) He knows he'll likely not get another GM job. Quinn, Cook, Bowden, O'brien, I think Bowden's the only one to land a GM job and that was in very unusual circumstances.

[REDREAD]

Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Under Bowden, they may not have gotten Cordero...Bowden's such a talker, he would have said publically they were after him....Krvisky kept quiet, and the Brewers had no idea what hit them.

I liked that approach.

Actually Milwaukee did know. Their GM acknowledged that Cordero came to them and expected the Brewers to top the Reds offer. The Brewers refused.
Cordero was going to whoever wrote the biggest check. Not a whole lot of skill in closing that deal.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by REDREAD

Actually Milwaukee did know. Their GM acknowledged that Cordero came to them and expected the Brewers to top the Reds offer. The Brewers refused.
Cordero was going to whoever wrote the biggest check. Not a whole lot of skill in closing that deal.

I believe he also acknowledged at some point that he didn't know it was the Red's until the very end or something to that effect. Not sure what his words were but I got the feeling that he didn't know the other team until the last day or 2 of the negotiations.

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Not so sure I agree with Dusty there. The Cincinnati Bengals have had more stability in their organization than just about anyone and look what they have to show for it.

I could tell a year into OB's reign as GM that he wasn't going to cut it and needed to be fired yet many said "it's too early." I'd also argue that Bowden should have been fired sooner.

Therefore I'm fine with this firing. Walt Jocketty has the best resume of any Reds GM since Bob Howsome and he has a track record with BC.

I do feel bad for Krivsky. I thought he did a good job of getting the overall organization in better shape.

Perhaps Jocketty will be superior in formulating a 25-man major league team that can win. It would seem to me to be quite a different skill. But we'll see.

[REDREAD]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

I don't. He made a lot of bone headed moves and blew a lot of BC's money.

I think he fought for his job because:
.

DanO fought for his job too. I would have no respect for Wayne if he didn't fight for his job.

Wayne deserved the pink slip. Hopefully brighter days are ahead.
Cast was more than patient with Wayne. For those that think Cast was too impatient, how much longer do you give Wayne? Realistically, you can't give a GM a 7 year trial. You have to cut bait sooner than that if no progress is being made.

Good organizations have stablity only because they have good people in charge and those good people have earned the right to continue. Stability for the sake of stabliity makes no sense.

[Matt700wlw]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

I don't. He made a lot of bone headed moves and blew a lot of BC's money.

I think he fought for his job because:

1) He knows the Reds future is bright

2) He knows he'll likely not get another GM job. Quinn, Cook, Bowden, O'brien, I think Bowden's the only one to land a GM job and that was in very unusual circumstances.

I feel bad for the guy....but I don't oppose the move. There's a difference.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

I don't. He made a lot of bone headed moves and blew a lot of BC's money.

I think he fought for his job because:

1) He knows the Reds future is bright

2) He knows he'll likely not get another GM job. Quinn, Cook, Bowden, O'brien, I think Bowden's the only one to land a GM job and that was in very unusual circumstances.

All GM's make bad moves. Wayne made a TON of real good moves as well. A lot more to outweigh the bad ones. Fast forward to July and what the roster is probably going to look like:
Votto, Phillips, Kepp, EE, Dunn, Bruce and Griffey. Harang, Cueto, Arroyo, Volquez and Bailey. Cordero, Burton and Bray. Honestly, is that team going to lose more than they win? Not very likely. Not in the long haul of a season. Yeah, Cormier sucked, Castro sucked, Stanton sucked.... he also is paying next to nothing for Harang, Volquez, Phillips and Keppinger. Dude has some head scratchers in there, but his entire body of work is very good. This team has the right pieces in place and he put them there.

[OnBaseMachine]

I disagree with Sea Ray. I absolutely believe Wayne Krivsky will land another GM job someday. Maybe not right away but he'll be a GM again. I thought he did a solid job overall and he should learn from his mistakes the next go around.

BTW the worst move he made (Kearns/Lopez trade) is starting to look like it could favor the Reds when it's all said and done. Bray is dominating AAA hitters and Daryl Thompson has regained his stuff and is dominating AA hitters so far.

[REDREAD]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

I believe he also acknowledged at some point that he didn't know it was the Red's until the very end or something to that effect. Not sure what his words were but I got the feeling that he didn't know the other team until the last day or 2 of the negotiations.

I could see a case where Cordero said "Hey, the Reds offered me X" and the Brewers GM was taken by surprise. He refused to top the Reds bid, and Cordero was a Red an hour or two later.

But there seems to be a false perception that Wayne did some kind of major covert operation and the Brewers GM didn't have a clue until he we found out too. That's false and quite silly.

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

Worries me most that Cast's win-now attitude, while admirable in a way, actually shows no knowledge of baseball and particularly of this team, which is not yet near being a contender. I expect bad, short-horizon moves to follow.

I have thought this many times.

"Patience is a virtue."

Good luck to you Mr. Krivsky...