Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

[Matt700wlw]

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

Don't you think we've got a bit of a small sample size problem here?

A bit.

[Falls City Beer]

A .750 OPS 2nd baseman isn't exactly the Hope Diamond.

[guttle11]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

A .750 OPS 2nd baseman isn't exactly the Hope Diamond.

No, but a middle infielder with pop and just about top of the line defense is worth some coin. Phillips isn't making $12 mil a year. There always risk involved with multi year deals, but his contract looks perfectly fine to me.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by guttle11

No, but a middle infielder with pop and just about top of the line defense is worth some coin.

He's not a top 5 defensive second baseman. Top 10 maybe. And I think a lot of that pop was ephemeral.

[Matt700wlw]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

He's not a top 5 defensive second baseman. Top 10 maybe. And I think a lot of that pop was ephemeral.

He had a better year defensively last year than the gold glove winner, but whatever.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Brandon Phillips says hello. He was one of those "diamond in the rough" findings.

Yes, he found both him and Keppinger as diamonds in the rough on offense. He also has overseen the destruction of a really good offense to the offense the Reds have today--big game once a week and besides that 3 runs a game.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

He's not a top 5 defensive second baseman. Top 10 maybe. And I think a lot of that pop was ephemeral.

Now you are reaching.

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Why? Volquez could get hurt I guess. Provided he doesn't, that's about it, no? What other moves has he made in trade that netted the team a high-ceiling starter?

Am I missing any?

referrring more specifically to you saying it was his only good move. But yeah, check Daryl Thompson's stats so far in AA...

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by reds44

Now you are reaching.

How? I think it's perfectly sound to say that his defense is maybe top ten, and that his power is probably more limited than what we saw last year.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by guttle11

No, but a middle infielder with pop and just about top of the line defense is worth some coin. Phillips isn't making $12 mil a year. There always risk involved with multi year deals, but his contract looks perfectly fine to me.

Phillips contract isn't in the top 10 of things Krivsky did wrong. Castro, Stanton, Coffey, Freel, Cormier, Gonzalez, Ross, Valentin....

We've all seen the threads on here, how much dead salary does this team have right now?

This team is going to have to replace both Griffey and Dunn at the end of the year as well. Think of how ugly the offense will get then.

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

He's not a top 5 defensive second baseman. Top 10 maybe. And I think a lot of that pop was ephemeral.

He's entering age-prime years. I'd figure 30 HRs again is a stretch (he had more than a few "just made it" homers last year), but I think 20 HRs is very realistic. Pencil him in for around 20-25 SBs as well, which augments his doubles power. His OBP was .331 last year, and I think he'll walk a few more times this year (he's already on pace for 50 walks this year) and push that closer to .340.

If he's giving you that -- roughly ~.800 OPS -- he has value at his contract level.

And yes, I think his defense is just about as good as it gets at 2B.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

How? I think it's perfectly sound to say that his defense is maybe top ten, and that his power is probably more limited than what we saw last year.

He plays better defense then you are giving him credit for. I'd be surprised if he ever goes 30/30 again though.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

referrring more specifically to you saying it was his only good move. But yeah, check Daryl Thompson's stats so far in AA...

Next you'll be telling me to check out Homer's AAA stats. But seriously, MLB is HARD to break into.

[TRF]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

How? I think it's perfectly sound to say that his defense is maybe top ten, and that his power is probably more limited than what we saw last year.

No, that's completely flawed. his defense is top 5, maybe the best in the NL. His offense is way overrated.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

referrring more specifically to you saying it was his only good move. But yeah, check Daryl Thompson's stats so far in AA...

So Daryl Thompson's 4 good starts all of a sudden makes the trade a good one?

How about what he did with Brendan Harris?
Or Cody Ross for that matter?

Think of how much offensive talent he has shipped out and got very little return for.

Pena
Kearns
Lopez
Harris
Ross
Hamilton (not saying that wasn't a good trade)