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GoReds · 05-07-2008, 03:16 PM

Really like the idea, at least in the short term (2-3 years?). It's really difficult to tell where they are projecting Bruce at the moment. He's seen time in all three OF positions, although primarily in right. If Willits can be had for a MiL bullpen arm, then lets do it already.

Falls City Beer · 05-07-2008, 03:18 PM

Walt likes high energy overachievers; and he usually gets them when they're ready to sustain some level of "achievi-ness."

See if they'll bite on Maloney. Try to get something for nothing for once.

blumj · 05-07-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flyer85

He serves no use to the Angels, they have 2 CFs signed long term and most teams want more punch out of an OF. The Reds are actually a team that is lot more OBP challenged than SLG challenged and he would be a good fit. If the Angels want a bunch for him then in the end they will get nothing and he will rot either on their bench or AAA.

Although the Angels have a history of hanging on to prospects(although Willits has never been a top prospect) until their either succeed or lose all of their value ... much to the detriment of the major league team the last few years.

I'd be in no hurry to get rid of Willits if I were them, either. The Angels have lots of depth, and that's why they keep winning, no matter who gets injured or for how long. Now, if they could trade him for something that would help them more, then they should do it, but they sure don't seem to need very much.

KronoRed · 05-07-2008, 06:41 PM

Pay whatever they ask as long as it's not Bruce or the two young pitchers, Willits would solve a ton of problems on this team.

fearofpopvol1 · 05-07-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

Pay whatever they ask as long as it's not Bruce or the two young pitchers, Willits would solve a ton of problems on this team.

You'd trade Aaron Harang?

jojo · 05-07-2008, 07:08 PM

Last year, the Reds had no problem doing the insane by essentially handing Hamilton CF in ST. This year, the only way Bruce could get near centerfield is to drive up from Louisville and buy a ticket.

This FO is schizoid.....

*BaseClogger* · 05-07-2008, 07:09 PM

Does anybody have any insight as to what the Angels' team need(s?) are?

Chip R · 05-07-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Last year, the Reds had no problem doing the insane by essentially handing Hamilton CF in ST. This year, the only way Bruce could get near centerfield is to drive up from Louisville and buy a ticket.

This FO is schizoid.....

Hamilton wasn't handed anything. Freel was the starting CF last year and when he started to slump/get injured, Hamilton was plugged in. Plus Hamilton had to stay on the active roster all year or be offered back to Tampa Bay while Bruce isn't even on the 40 man roster. If Hamilton could have been optioned last year, he probably would have.

jojo · 05-07-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

Does anybody have any insight as to what the Angels' team need(s?) are?

One of their biggest needs is for the Ms to retain Bavasi. Another would be for Beane to retire.

Aside from that, they need a DH and they need someone to take Garret Anderson off of their hands. Their rotation has been weakened be injury. Shortstop ain't to stellar either but all in all, they're front runners.

RedsManRick · 05-07-2008, 07:23 PM

Griffey for Willits. I'd do it and pay the buyout/salary bump.

*BaseClogger* · 05-07-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Griffey for Willits. I'd do it and pay the buyout/salary bump.

Dunn?

jojo · 05-07-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chip R

Hamilton wasn't handed anything. Freel was the starting CF last year and when he started to slump/get injured, Hamilton was plugged in. Plus Hamilton had to stay on the active roster all year or be offered back to Tampa Bay while Bruce isn't even on the 40 man roster. If Hamilton could have been optioned last year, he probably would have.

You're right that Freel was the named CFer starting the season but Hamilton started 18 of the the Reds first 26 games in '07. The Reds clearly intended for him to get a significant number of PAs last season. It was a completely insane plan based upon roughly 50 ST at bats and it was a plan that rule 5 did not dictate.

The difference maker in the Bruce vs Hamilton situations- roughly 50 spring training at bats.

RedsManRick · 05-07-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

Dunn?

If I couldn't resign him for 3/45 and I couldn't get a better package somewhere else, yes.

Chip R · 05-07-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

You're right that Freel was the named CFer starting the season but Hamilton started 18 of the the Reds first 26 games in '07. The Reds clearly intended for him to get a significant number of PAs last season. It was a completely insane plan based upon roughly 50 ST at bats and it was a plan that rule 5 did not dictate.

The difference maker in the Bruce vs Hamilton situations- roughly 50 spring training at bats.

If Bruce had the kind of spring this season that Hamilton did last year, he'd have been starting in CF. If Hamilton hit .150 last spring they might have shipped him back to Tampa or given him the Wily Mo treatment.

RedEye · 05-07-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

If I couldn't resign him for 3/45 and I couldn't get a better package somewhere else, yes.

So getting Willits is a better value return than a bunch of draft picks when Dunn walks at the end of the year? I'm not so sure...

05-07-2008, 03:16 PM	#16
GoReds Cruisin' for trouble Join Date: May 2000 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 3,287	Re: change that could help Really like the idea, at least in the short term (2-3 years?). It's really difficult to tell where they are projecting Bruce at the moment. He's seen time in all three OF positions, although primarily in right. If Willits can be had for a MiL bullpen arm, then lets do it already.

05-07-2008, 03:18 PM	#17
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: change that could help Walt likes high energy overachievers; and he usually gets them when they're ready to sustain some level of "achievi-ness." See if they'll bite on Maloney. Try to get something for nothing for once.

05-07-2008, 06:41 PM	#19
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: change that could help Pay whatever they ask as long as it's not Bruce or the two young pitchers, Willits would solve a ton of problems on this team. __________________ Go Gators!

05-07-2008, 07:08 PM	#21
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,569	Re: change that could help Last year, the Reds had no problem doing the insane by essentially handing Hamilton CF in ST. This year, the only way Bruce could get near centerfield is to drive up from Louisville and buy a ticket. This FO is schizoid..... __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

05-07-2008, 07:09 PM	#22
BaseClogger WOOOOO!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 6,077	Re: change that could help Does anybody have any insight as to what the Angels' team need(s?) are? __________________ "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

05-07-2008, 07:23 PM	#25
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: change that could help Griffey for Willits. I'd do it and pay the buyout/salary bump. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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