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Old 05-26-2008, 09:55 PM   #181
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Re: Jay Bruce called up!!!!!

Doesn't SD need a CF? Think theres any chance we can throw them Patterson, one of our catchers, and a decent prospect for Bard or a lesser Patterson deal for Barrett?
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:55 PM   #182
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So we should see results then soon, right?

Then we shall see.
Not if Dusty insists on Griffey in RF and Hairston at SS...
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:56 PM   #183
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So we should see results then soon, right?

Then we shall see.
More of a point that the Reds pitching staff is doing fine, its the defense that is causing them to look bad.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:58 PM   #184
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They are not outperforming the Reds pitchers--they just have a better defense behind them...
Their defense is not so much better than the Reds as to brook 45 fewer runs allowed.
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Look at it this way: the Reds lead the league in strikeouts. Yet they have the worst team defense. What more can the pitchers do to limit the effects of the defense and allow less runs? The only possible anwser is less home runs, which is mostly a symptom of their home park, and less walks, which haven't been too much of a problem considering their inexperience...
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:59 PM   #186
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Their defense is not so much better than the Reds as to brook 45 fewer runs allowed.
I believe they have the best fielding in the league while the Reds have the worst. It's got to be close to those 45 runs...
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Look at it this way: the Reds lead the league in strikeouts. Yet they have the worst team defense. What more can the pitchers do to limit the effects of the defense and allow less runs? The only possible anwser is less home runs, which is mostly a symptom of their home park, and less walks, which haven't been too much of a problem considering their inexperience...
I don't think Cueto's HR problems have anything to do with GABP.
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I believe they have the best fielding in the league while the Reds have the worst. It's got to be close to those 45 runs...
Really?

45 runs over 50 something games.
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:03 PM   #189
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:03 PM   #190
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Look at it this way: the Reds lead the league in strikeouts. Yet they have the worst team defense. What more can the pitchers do to limit the effects of the defense and allow less runs? The only possible anwser is less home runs, which is mostly a symptom of their home park, and less walks, which haven't been too much of a problem considering their inexperience...
Better luck.

You're starting to identify bad luck with bad defense. The Reds defense is pretty below average, but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.
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Their defense is not so much better than the Reds as to brook 45 fewer runs allowed.
The only positions the Reds and Cardinals are even close defensively is CF and 2B. Everywhere else the Cardinals have far superior fielders. I think it makes a much bigger impact than you want to admit.
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The only positions the Reds and Cardinals are even close defensively is CF and 2B. Everywhere else the Cardinals have far superior fielders. I think it makes a much bigger impact than you want to admit.
But pretty much nowhere near 45 runs in 50 + games.
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But pretty much nowhere near 45 runs in 50 + games.
Without running the numbers, I would bet its close to at least 30 runs to this point in the season.
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Without running the numbers, I would bet its close to at least 30 runs to this point in the season.
Nonsense.
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Better luck.

You're starting to identify bad luck with bad defense. The Reds defense is pretty below average, but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.
So, you think the Reds have been vitims of really poor luck so far?
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