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big boy · 06-25-2008, 10:27 PM

Is David Ross the worst catcher of all-time at making a play at the plate? It seems like every time a runner is bearing down on him, he drops the ball. The same thing happened tonight.

durl · 06-25-2008, 10:55 PM

No.

zacharync · 06-25-2008, 11:20 PM

Not the worst of all time

Cicero · 06-25-2008, 11:36 PM

Most catchers don't get the out in that situation. That is what makes it an exciting play when it does happen.

Nasty_Boy · 06-25-2008, 11:42 PM

All time... No

Past 3 seasons... you could make a case

tommycash · 06-25-2008, 11:49 PM

There have been worse than Ross. He has better numbers at that position than Eddie Taubensee did and is has a .989 career fielding average which is one point below Jason Larue's career average. He has even had better years (defensively) than the great Johnny Bench did. Bench had some .986 or worse years. This is not a knock on Bench but merely putting Ross' defense in perspective. Go on and compare him to others on baseball-reference.com. Now his offense is another story.

tommycash · 06-25-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nasty_Boy

All time... No

Past 3 seasons... you could make a case

Really, last 3 seasons? I don't think so. Last year Ross had a better FP than the league average and his first year here (the first of those 3 seasons) he was one of the best hitting catchers in the league. I think Ross is now peaked and is a solid back up, but he is far from the worst in the league.

44Magnum · 06-26-2008, 09:47 AM

Ross is terrible at making plays at the plate. I doubt anyone in MLB is worse at it than him. :thumbdown

levydl · 06-26-2008, 10:10 AM

Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!

markymark69 · 06-26-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by levydl

Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!

Exactly. There may be some out there who would complain that Dunn missed the cut-off man, but had Ross caught the ball, the runner was toast at the plate.

Nasty_Boy · 06-26-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by levydl

Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!

Thank you!

Cicero · 06-26-2008, 11:01 AM

Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary. If he goes on a hot streak we will see people posting threads about whether or not he is untouchable in trades etc.

levydl · 06-26-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary. If he goes on a hot streak we will see people posting threads about whether or not he is untouchable in trades etc.

I don't think anyone thinks Ross is the guy holding this team back (though, no, I don't think he's very good). But he seems to drop the ball on a play at the plate a whole lot.

Orenda · 06-26-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary.

Thats funny because last night after his botched play at home, I admit I had the same initial reaction "He is horrible with plays at the plate." But after they showed the replay a couple of times the thing that bothered me wasn't that he had misplayed the short hop, but the fact that he had taken steps back, leaving the plate wide open, to make the play. That must not be one of the little things that George Grande likes to talk about all the time because last night all he said was how the near perfect throw by Dunn would have been better if it had bounced a couple times.

CWRed · 06-26-2008, 12:45 PM

So Grande blames Dunn for a perfect throw. That seems about right. Ross does drop a ton of throws at the plate. I wish they had a stat for that.

Stupid Dunn.

06-25-2008, 10:27 PM	#1
big boy Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cincinnati, oh usa Posts: 686	Ross Is David Ross the worst catcher of all-time at making a play at the plate? It seems like every time a runner is bearing down on him, he drops the ball. The same thing happened tonight.

06-25-2008, 10:55 PM	#2
durl Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nashvull Posts: 1,743	Re: Ross No.

06-25-2008, 11:20 PM	#3
zacharync Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 179	Re: Ross Not the worst of all time

06-25-2008, 11:36 PM	#4
Cicero ORG Infidel Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ebensburg PA Posts: 308	Re: Ross Most catchers don't get the out in that situation. That is what makes it an exciting play when it does happen. __________________ Ron Popeil apologist.

06-25-2008, 11:42 PM	#5
Nasty_Boy Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 1st Place... Finally Posts: 1,130	Re: Ross All time... No Past 3 seasons... you could make a case

06-25-2008, 11:49 PM	#6
tommycash Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 405	Re: Ross There have been worse than Ross. He has better numbers at that position than Eddie Taubensee did and is has a .989 career fielding average which is one point below Jason Larue's career average. He has even had better years (defensively) than the great Johnny Bench did. Bench had some .986 or worse years. This is not a knock on Bench but merely putting Ross' defense in perspective. Go on and compare him to others on baseball-reference.com. Now his offense is another story. __________________ Jack Eliot: I'm a World Series MVP! Skip: That was four years ago, Jack. Last season, you hit .235. Jack Eliot: LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August! ---Mr. Baseball 1992

06-26-2008, 09:47 AM	#8
44Magnum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 434	Re: Ross Ross is terrible at making plays at the plate. I doubt anyone in MLB is worse at it than him. :thumbdown __________________ 80% of the earth is covered by water. The other 20% is covered by Eric Davis.

06-26-2008, 10:10 AM	#9
levydl Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 190	Re: Ross Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!

06-26-2008, 11:01 AM	#12
Cicero ORG Infidel Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ebensburg PA Posts: 308	Re: Ross Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary. If he goes on a hot streak we will see people posting threads about whether or not he is untouchable in trades etc. __________________ Ron Popeil apologist.

06-26-2008, 12:45 PM	#15
CWRed Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 296	Re: Ross So Grande blames Dunn for a perfect throw. That seems about right. Ross does drop a ton of throws at the plate. I wish they had a stat for that. Stupid Dunn.

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