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osuceltic · 12-09-2008, 02:15 PM

On paper, this makes a lot of sense. This worries me though:

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But the Orioles had become increasingly disenchanted with his lack of intensity behind the plate.

Coupled with all the talk of him loafing on the basepaths and such, I cringe.

Benihana · 12-09-2008, 02:15 PM

If nothing else, this buys the Reds one year to see if Hanigan can really start and contribute at the major league level and if Mesoraco has any kind of real future whatsoever. If the answer to both questions is no, then they can trade a key asset to acquire a young stud catcher. This way they secure the catching position for this year, and can hold on to their key assets for one more year, or perhaps more appropriately, use them to acquire more pressing needs (like a young stud SS and a power-hitting OF.)

In other words, now focus the efforts on trading for Yunel Escobar as opposed to trading for Taylor Teagarden.

Roy Tucker · 12-09-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Stay tuned. May be nothing, but I've heard from people on both sides. That's usually a good indication that something is happening.

Boy, that John Fay is sharp as a tack. Got to get up early in the morning to get anything past him.

lollipopcurve · 12-09-2008, 02:23 PM

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Coupled with all the talk of him loafing on the basepaths and such, I cringe.

Perhaps. But apparently he and the manager, Tremblay, didn't get along. Sometimes things go south that way, and it isn't always entirely the player's fault. Keep in mind the guy played 133 games -- a very sturdy campaign for a catcher. He'll be playing for a new contract, so I'm optimistic the effort will be there.

lollipopcurve · 12-09-2008, 02:25 PM

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Boy, that John Fay is sharp as a tack. Got to get up early in the morning to get anything past him.

The banker just laid down his first post in over 18 hours. Guy is cranking.

HeatherC1212 · 12-09-2008, 02:42 PM

It's possible a change of scenery will adjust Ramon's attitude. He was quite good for the O's when he first got there and it was really in this last season that I started wanting to throw things through the TV at him.

RedLegSuperStar · 12-09-2008, 02:46 PM

MLBTradeRumors.com thinks the Reds and O's get this deal done.

Will M · 12-09-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

If nothing else, this buys the Reds one year to see if Hanigan can really start and contribute at the major league level and if Mesoraco has any kind of real future whatsoever. If the answer to both questions is no, then they can trade a key asset to acquire a young stud catcher. This way they secure the catching position for this year, and can hold on to their key assets for one more year, or perhaps more appropriately, use them to acquire more pressing needs (like a young stud SS and a power-hitting OF.)

In other words, now focus the efforts on trading for Yunel Escobar as opposed to trading for Taylor Teagarden.

agree. added plus is that he speaks Spanish.

if we could trade say Freel plus Maloney for Hernandez (with the Os kicking in 1.5-2M) that would be a really good deal for the Reds.

OnBaseMachine · 12-09-2008, 02:54 PM

Getting close on Freel-Hernandez deal
Posted by JohnFay at 12/9/2008 2:38 PM EST on Cincinnati.com

I'm hearing that Ramon Hernandez-for-Ryan Freel deal is close -- very close. The Reds may send a prospect or two to the Orioles in the deal. Because more than $1 million is involved it have to approved by the commissioner office.

The Baltimore Sun reported on its website that the deal could be announced very soon.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...cincinnati.com

Those better not be decent prospects.

dougdirt · 12-09-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Getting close on Freel-Hernandez deal
Posted by JohnFay at 12/9/2008 2:38 PM EST on Cincinnati.com

I'm hearing that Ramon Hernandez-for-Ryan Freel deal is close -- very close. The Reds may send a prospect or two to the Orioles in the deal. Because more than $1 million is involved it have to approved by the commissioner office.

The Baltimore Sun reported on its website that the deal could be announced very soon.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...cincinnati.com

Those better not be decent prospects.

If its 1 prospect, who is the best guy you would give up?
What about if its two prospects?

Just a rumor here, but I heard that Heisey could be involved. We shall see.

SMcGavin · 12-09-2008, 02:59 PM

This would be a good trade. For what it's worth, on Hardball Times' expected BABIP they published a while back, Hernandez's xBABIP in 08 was .292. His actual BABIP was .261. May be a nice bounceback candidate.

Also, based on the last two seasons, Hernandez qualifies as a Type A free agent. But he does have a team option on his contract for 2010. Does anyone know, if the Reds declined that option, could they then offer him arb and pick up the draft picks if he declines?

HeatherC1212 · 12-09-2008, 03:07 PM

I was asked at the Orioles board who the Reds might send as that second prospect. I answered as best I could but I would love more feedback from you guys who know our younger prospects a little better than me (I haven't seen them very much yet). I suggested Maloney, Thompson, Roenicke, Manuel, or Fisher (although I don't think Roenicke would be in this deal, I threw his name in anyway) or maybe one of the lower ranked OFs if that's a preference for the O's. I steared them clear of our SS guys because quite frankly, IMO our own SS situation isn't strong enough for us to do that. Anyway, I'd love to hear more thoughts from you guys about the identity of that extra prospect.

OnBaseMachine · 12-09-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

If its 1 prospect, who is the best guy you would give up?
What about if its two prospects?

Just a rumor here, but I heard that Heisey could be involved. We shall see.

Maybe Freel + Sean Watson or Freel + Cumberland

I wouldn't give them Heisey.

But if Hernandez really is a Type A FA then that makes me feel better about the deal.

SMcGavin · 12-09-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Maybe Freel + Sean Watson or Freel + Cumberland

I wouldn't give them Heisey.

But if Hernandez really is a Type A FA then that makes me feel better about the deal.

Ramon Hernandez is better than Freel. The prospect(s) you'd get when Hernandez leaves would be better than Heisey. Why wouldn't you do that deal?

lollipopcurve · 12-09-2008, 03:10 PM

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Just a rumor here, but I heard that Heisey could be involved. We shall see.

Ouch. The guy's one of my favorites in the system. I was kind of thinking Henry. Either way, the system is deep these days....

12-09-2008, 02:15 PM	#47
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,427	Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez? If nothing else, this buys the Reds one year to see if Hanigan can really start and contribute at the major league level and if Mesoraco has any kind of real future whatsoever. If the answer to both questions is no, then they can trade a key asset to acquire a young stud catcher. This way they secure the catching position for this year, and can hold on to their key assets for one more year, or perhaps more appropriately, use them to acquire more pressing needs (like a young stud SS and a power-hitting OF.) In other words, now focus the efforts on trading for Yunel Escobar as opposed to trading for Taylor Teagarden. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

12-09-2008, 02:42 PM	#51
HeatherC1212 Joey Votto Fangirl Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,515	Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez? It's possible a change of scenery will adjust Ramon's attitude. He was quite good for the O's when he first got there and it was really in this last season that I started wanting to throw things through the TV at him. __________________ "I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

12-09-2008, 02:46 PM	#52
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez? MLBTradeRumors.com thinks the Reds and O's get this deal done. __________________ "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans 2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L 2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L 2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L 2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

12-09-2008, 02:54 PM	#54
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez? Getting close on Freel-Hernandez deal Posted by JohnFay at 12/9/2008 2:38 PM EST on Cincinnati.com I'm hearing that Ramon Hernandez-for-Ryan Freel deal is close -- very close. The Reds may send a prospect or two to the Orioles in the deal. Because more than $1 million is involved it have to approved by the commissioner office. The Baltimore Sun reported on its website that the deal could be announced very soon. http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...cincinnati.com Those better not be decent prospects. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

12-09-2008, 02:59 PM	#56
SMcGavin Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,483	Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez? This would be a good trade. For what it's worth, on Hardball Times' expected BABIP they published a while back, Hernandez's xBABIP in 08 was .292. His actual BABIP was .261. May be a nice bounceback candidate. Also, based on the last two seasons, Hernandez qualifies as a Type A free agent. But he does have a team option on his contract for 2010. Does anyone know, if the Reds declined that option, could they then offer him arb and pick up the draft picks if he declines?

12-09-2008, 03:07 PM	#57
HeatherC1212 Joey Votto Fangirl Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,515	Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez? I was asked at the Orioles board who the Reds might send as that second prospect. I answered as best I could but I would love more feedback from you guys who know our younger prospects a little better than me (I haven't seen them very much yet). I suggested Maloney, Thompson, Roenicke, Manuel, or Fisher (although I don't think Roenicke would be in this deal, I threw his name in anyway) or maybe one of the lower ranked OFs if that's a preference for the O's. I steared them clear of our SS guys because quite frankly, IMO our own SS situation isn't strong enough for us to do that. Anyway, I'd love to hear more thoughts from you guys about the identity of that extra prospect. __________________ "I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

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