nine player, three team trade(no cubs) - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

fadetoblack2880 · 12-10-2008, 11:31 PM

per mlb alerts:

mets acquire j.j. putz, m's get aaron heilman and franklin gutierrez, and indians get joe smith.

i got this text while driving and was worried it involved the cubs and padres.

edit: i don't know who the other players involved are, it didn't say.

Bip Roberts · 12-10-2008, 11:44 PM

Mets just owned that trade haha

Orodle · 12-10-2008, 11:48 PM

Surprised the Mets traded Smith. Putz is good but Smith is solid as well, young and very cheap.

fadetoblack2880 · 12-10-2008, 11:51 PM

so, how many closers do the mets currently have? heres the details on this: The Mariners give up Putz, Green, and Reed and get Heilman, Chavez, Carp, and Gutierrez. The Indians give up Gutierrez and get Valbuena and Smith. The Mets give up Heilman, Chavez, Carp, and Smith to get Putz, Green, and Reed.

WildcatFan · 12-11-2008, 01:01 AM

Well, the Mets said they wanted to improve their bullpen...

I can't think of a worse situation than having to face Johan for seven then looking out at Putz and K-Rod for the last two.

NorrisHopper30 · 12-11-2008, 01:05 AM

Putz wants to close, for some reason I think this doesn't work out.

WildcatFan · 12-11-2008, 01:09 AM

They can be civil about this — I'm sure they'll work it out.

Putz can have Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, K-Rod can have Wednesdays, Fridays, Sundays and the Yankees series

JayBruceFan · 12-11-2008, 01:38 AM

Joe Smith should thrive in the Indians bullpen

straitpinkie · 12-11-2008, 08:33 AM

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redsfandan · 12-11-2008, 08:49 AM

the hell was that?

anyway...

Quote:

WEDNESDAY, 11:02pm: Geoff Baker says the Mariners got three additional minor leaguers from the Mets: pitcher Maikel Cleto, outfielder Ezequiel Carrera, and pitcher Jason Vargas.

so it looks like the final tally is:
The Mets give up Heilman, Chavez, Smith, Carp, Cleto, Carrera, and Vargas to get Putz,
Green, and Reed.

The Mariners give up Putz, Green, and Reed and get Gutierrez, Heilman, Chavez, Carp, Cleto, Carrera, and Vargas.

The Indians give up Gutierrez and get Valbuena and Smith.

obviously the mets have dramatically improved their bullpen with putz and k-rod but, while i would've liked the mariners to have picked up at least one solid prospect, i still think they did ok. i'm not sold on clevelands part.

redsfandan · 12-12-2008, 02:13 PM

some random related observations:

K-Rod has made nine postseason appearances in the last five years and gave up runs in six of them, including all four times he's pitched against the Red Sox. He twice took losses to Boston in the 2004 ALDS, and he gave up a walkoff three-run home run to Manny Ramirez to end the Angels' postseason last year. He hasn't had any blown saves since 2002, when he was instrumental in the Angels' World Series run. But he's hardly been a shutdown reliever in October.

If they pick up the 2010 option on Putz they'll be paying more than $20 million combined to just Putz and K-Rod in 2010.

Billy Wagner who had tommy john surgery in september will still be paid $10.5m in 2009. It's possible that he could be back next sept although he and the mets have a strained relationship now.

WildcatFan · 12-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Silly Mets, paying more than $20 million for those guys. That's like a team paying $12 million for a guy who pitches one inning a game and only when they have the lead.

...hey, wait...

redsfandan · 12-12-2008, 02:51 PM

lol that was good. I hope we don't see another mistake like cordero, milton, etc.

12-10-2008, 11:31 PM	#1
fadetoblack2880 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: saint albans, wv Posts: 358	nine player, three team trade(no cubs) per mlb alerts: mets acquire j.j. putz, m's get aaron heilman and franklin gutierrez, and indians get joe smith. i got this text while driving and was worried it involved the cubs and padres. edit: i don't know who the other players involved are, it didn't say. __________________ "Six outs to a full inning. In a major league game, you're going to play 8½ or 9 innings. That is never going to change. The money changes. People change. But the game itself is never going to change. … The people who designed this thing are brilliant."-Jamie Moyer Last edited by fadetoblack2880; 12-10-2008 at 11:35 PM.

12-10-2008, 11:44 PM	#2
Bip Roberts Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,189	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Mets just owned that trade haha

12-10-2008, 11:48 PM	#3
Orodle Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 539	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Surprised the Mets traded Smith. Putz is good but Smith is solid as well, young and very cheap.

12-10-2008, 11:51 PM	#4
fadetoblack2880 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: saint albans, wv Posts: 358	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) so, how many closers do the mets currently have? heres the details on this: The Mariners give up Putz, Green, and Reed and get Heilman, Chavez, Carp, and Gutierrez. The Indians give up Gutierrez and get Valbuena and Smith. The Mets give up Heilman, Chavez, Carp, and Smith to get Putz, Green, and Reed. __________________ "Six outs to a full inning. In a major league game, you're going to play 8½ or 9 innings. That is never going to change. The money changes. People change. But the game itself is never going to change. … The people who designed this thing are brilliant."-Jamie Moyer

12-11-2008, 01:01 AM	#5
WildcatFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 921	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Well, the Mets said they wanted to improve their bullpen... I can't think of a worse situation than having to face Johan for seven then looking out at Putz and K-Rod for the last two.

12-11-2008, 01:05 AM	#6
NorrisHopper30 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Milford, Clifton Posts: 1,585	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Putz wants to close, for some reason I think this doesn't work out. __________________ Follow me on twitter @EricLilly7 Check out my Reds blog! Hit me up with any advice on it at anytime, it's always appreciated. http://redscheatsheet.blogspot.com/

12-11-2008, 01:09 AM	#7
WildcatFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 921	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) They can be civil about this — I'm sure they'll work it out. Putz can have Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, K-Rod can have Wednesdays, Fridays, Sundays and the Yankees series

12-11-2008, 01:38 AM	#8
JayBruceFan Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kettering Posts: 694	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Joe Smith should thrive in the Indians bullpen

12-11-2008, 08:33 AM	#9
straitpinkie Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Hello, new user, first post. I am covering the Reds for a site called straitpinkie.com and just wanted to get on here and see what real reds fans thoughts and opinions on their squad are. I know several people who work for the Louisville Bats front office, so from time to time I am able to get the Reds' AAA Affiliate's take on the matters of their parent squad. For the latest on Reds' hotstove and the cubs/padres charade, as well as a daily dose of awesomeness, visit www.straitpinkie.com Thanks, Chucky

12-12-2008, 02:13 PM	#11
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,361	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) some random related observations: K-Rod has made nine postseason appearances in the last five years and gave up runs in six of them, including all four times he's pitched against the Red Sox. He twice took losses to Boston in the 2004 ALDS, and he gave up a walkoff three-run home run to Manny Ramirez to end the Angels' postseason last year. He hasn't had any blown saves since 2002, when he was instrumental in the Angels' World Series run. But he's hardly been a shutdown reliever in October. If they pick up the 2010 option on Putz they'll be paying more than $20 million combined to just Putz and K-Rod in 2010. Billy Wagner who had tommy john surgery in september will still be paid $10.5m in 2009. It's possible that he could be back next sept although he and the mets have a strained relationship now. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

12-12-2008, 02:38 PM	#12
WildcatFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 921	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) Silly Mets, paying more than $20 million for those guys. That's like a team paying $12 million for a guy who pitches one inning a game and only when they have the lead. ...hey, wait...

12-12-2008, 02:51 PM	#13
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,361	Re: nine player, three team trade(no cubs) lol that was good. I hope we don't see another mistake like cordero, milton, etc. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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