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wojo1025 · 01-30-2009, 05:50 PM

Talking to Jocketty
Posted by JohnFay at 1/30/2009 4:07 PM EST on Cincinnati.com

Walt Jocketty said that Reds continue to have conversations with free agents but not the kind of guys that will make headlines.

"I talked to some agents and gotten some e-mails," Jocketty said. "We're talking to some fringe guys who are trying to get into camp."

Jocketty said at this point the Reds are only talking about minor league contracts with invites to camp.

He downplayed the possibility of Luis Gonzalez being signed.

"I talked to his agent," Jocketty said. "But that was several weeks ago."

The Reds have had contact with Ty Wigginton's representative.

"I talked to his agent," Jocketty said. "They're getting close to desperate stage. But we're really only looking at bench help. I think that's the only type of guys we'll bring in -- if we do that."

One thing to keep in mind about Type A free agents: If you sign them now, you lose a draft pick. If you sign them after the June draft, there's no compensation.

"It's a possibility that you'll see guys go until then," Jocketty said.

Assistant GM Bob Miller is handling the negotiations with Edwin Encarnacion. "He hasn't talked to (Encarnacion's) agent in a few days," Jocketty said. "I still think we'll settle, but it will probably happen closer to the hearing date."

mroby85 · 01-30-2009, 05:54 PM

"We need a right handed power bat" "someone who produces runs"
"We're looking at some guys for the middle of the order"
"With Griffey and Dunns contracts out, there is some free money to spend"
BULLCRAP!

wojo1025 · 01-30-2009, 05:59 PM

I am a HUGE baseball fan and I simply can't wait for the season to start. I am trying to stay as positive as possible about the upcoming season, but this has been a very disappointing winter. I had such high expectations for a few moves we'd make and unfortunately it seems we're just spinning our wheels...sigh

texasdave · 01-30-2009, 06:14 PM

IMO, he has only been looking at fringe guys all winter. Case in point, Willy Taveras for CF. Walt's moves have been less than inspiring. Rhodes, Gomes, Nix, Hairston etc. People try to defend Jocketty by saying he hasn't made any really dumb moves. I'd counter that signing Taveras for $4 million for 2010, in today's economy, fits all the necessary criteria to be labeled a dumb move.

texasdave · 01-30-2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mroby85

"We need a right handed power bat" "someone who produces runs"
"We're looking at some guys for the middle of the order"
"With Griffey and Dunns contracts out, there is some free money to spend"
BULLCRAP!

I will second this. With the money that was freed up and with the price of middle-of-the-order bats sinking to the level that they have, it is pretty hard to believe that Walt still hasn't been able to check "priority one" off of his to-do list this winter. If he is waiting until June it might no longer be such a high priority. The Reds may be too far behind for it to matter all that much.

WildcatFan · 01-30-2009, 06:43 PM

Man, if Luis Gonzalez doesn't qualify as a "fringe guy," I'm afraid to see who does...

Jerome · 01-30-2009, 06:59 PM

Fringe guy---one who will gladly come off the bench to bat for the pitcher in the seventh inning and proceed to strike out.

jeromesredscare.blogspot.com

roby · 01-30-2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome

Fringe guy---one who will gladly come off the bench to bat for the pitcher in the seventh inning and proceed to strike out.

jeromesredscare.blogspot.com

Walt is starting to really tick me off. the Reds are close...have as good a chance of winning as they have in years...should have the money available...SAID they had money available...and then piddle the season away before it ever starts. It is getting really hard to be a Reds fan.

Kingspoint · 01-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Even though Walt is saying this now, I've always felt that he didn't have to make the decision about a shortstop until the middle of March, when they'd have a good gauge not only on the potential year-long status of Alex Gonzalez, but a good read on the "price and value" of available shortstops to replace/supplement the Alex at SS.

Newman4 · 01-30-2009, 10:21 PM

Walt continues to amaze me. He even publicly describes Wigginton as "desperate" and sits status quo. Does he even put out offers to these guys? The number of quality FA this year still available is very large. At least put some numbers out there and maybe someone will sign with the Reds. They have to play somewhere and the Reds certainly have holes.

Newport Red · 01-30-2009, 10:32 PM

Maybe he has his poker face on. He did a good job with the Alonso signing, waiting until the last day and getting a reasonable contract.

He could be waiting for the price to drop even more. I don't see the point in letting the other teams in the league publically know your plans.

Could be wrong.

It makes me regret the Taveras signing though.

gedred69 · 01-30-2009, 10:37 PM

Looking at what's still out there, Has anything happened with Garciaparra? He's a bit younger. Betwixt him and Gonzalez, who would you rather see off the bench, and why? (Just asking)......................

TheBigLebowski · 01-30-2009, 10:40 PM

The Tavares signing was a head scratcher, no doubt.

I still hope that this is all a part of some complicated gamesmanship - or, perhaps, brinksmanship.

Otherwise, the fans have been sold a bill of goods.

Ghosts of 1990 · 01-31-2009, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texasdave

IMO, he has only been looking at fringe guys all winter. Case in point, Willy Taveras for CF. Walt's moves have been less than inspiring. Rhodes, Gomes, Nix, Hairston etc. People try to defend Jocketty by saying he hasn't made any really dumb moves. I'd counter that signing Taveras for $4 million for 2010, in today's economy, fits all the necessary criteria to be labeled a dumb move.

Lol, seems like we've been looking at fringe guys for the last decade

BLEEDS · 01-31-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayBruce32

Lol, seems like we've been looking at fringe guys for the last decade

Exactly, what kind of "fringe B" do you add to a roster filled with "fringe A" guys already?!?!

CAN there be folks more "fringe" than Tavares, Hairston, & Gomes, especially when you're considering those guys as OF Starter Candidates?!?!?!

PEACE

-BLEEDS

01-30-2009, 05:50 PM	#1
wojo1025 RotoHester Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Jeffersonville, IN Posts: 493	Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Talking to Jocketty Posted by JohnFay at 1/30/2009 4:07 PM EST on Cincinnati.com Walt Jocketty said that Reds continue to have conversations with free agents but not the kind of guys that will make headlines. "I talked to some agents and gotten some e-mails," Jocketty said. "We're talking to some fringe guys who are trying to get into camp." Jocketty said at this point the Reds are only talking about minor league contracts with invites to camp. He downplayed the possibility of Luis Gonzalez being signed. "I talked to his agent," Jocketty said. "But that was several weeks ago." The Reds have had contact with Ty Wigginton's representative. "I talked to his agent," Jocketty said. "They're getting close to desperate stage. But we're really only looking at bench help. I think that's the only type of guys we'll bring in -- if we do that." One thing to keep in mind about Type A free agents: If you sign them now, you lose a draft pick. If you sign them after the June draft, there's no compensation. "It's a possibility that you'll see guys go until then," Jocketty said. Assistant GM Bob Miller is handling the negotiations with Edwin Encarnacion. "He hasn't talked to (Encarnacion's) agent in a few days," Jocketty said. "I still think we'll settle, but it will probably happen closer to the hearing date." __________________ www.Fireleague.com

01-30-2009, 05:54 PM	#2
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt "We need a right handed power bat" "someone who produces runs" "We're looking at some guys for the middle of the order" "With Griffey and Dunns contracts out, there is some free money to spend" BULLCRAP!

01-30-2009, 05:59 PM	#3
wojo1025 RotoHester Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Jeffersonville, IN Posts: 493	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt I am a HUGE baseball fan and I simply can't wait for the season to start. I am trying to stay as positive as possible about the upcoming season, but this has been a very disappointing winter. I had such high expectations for a few moves we'd make and unfortunately it seems we're just spinning our wheels...sigh __________________ www.Fireleague.com

01-30-2009, 06:14 PM	#4
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,575	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt IMO, he has only been looking at fringe guys all winter. Case in point, Willy Taveras for CF. Walt's moves have been less than inspiring. Rhodes, Gomes, Nix, Hairston etc. People try to defend Jocketty by saying he hasn't made any really dumb moves. I'd counter that signing Taveras for $4 million for 2010, in today's economy, fits all the necessary criteria to be labeled a dumb move.

01-30-2009, 06:43 PM	#6
WildcatFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 921	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Man, if Luis Gonzalez doesn't qualify as a "fringe guy," I'm afraid to see who does...

01-30-2009, 06:59 PM	#7
Jerome Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 180	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Fringe guy---one who will gladly come off the bench to bat for the pitcher in the seventh inning and proceed to strike out. jeromesredscare.blogspot.com

01-30-2009, 09:05 PM	#9
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,940	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Even though Walt is saying this now, I've always felt that he didn't have to make the decision about a shortstop until the middle of March, when they'd have a good gauge not only on the potential year-long status of Alex Gonzalez, but a good read on the "price and value" of available shortstops to replace/supplement the Alex at SS.

01-30-2009, 10:21 PM	#10
Newman4 Old Red Guard Reject Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,419	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Walt continues to amaze me. He even publicly describes Wigginton as "desperate" and sits status quo. Does he even put out offers to these guys? The number of quality FA this year still available is very large. At least put some numbers out there and maybe someone will sign with the Reds. They have to play somewhere and the Reds certainly have holes. __________________ If you ain't first, you're last! - Ricky Bobby

01-30-2009, 10:32 PM	#11
Newport Red Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: End of the bench Posts: 738	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Maybe he has his poker face on. He did a good job with the Alonso signing, waiting until the last day and getting a reasonable contract. He could be waiting for the price to drop even more. I don't see the point in letting the other teams in the league publically know your plans. Could be wrong. It makes me regret the Taveras signing though. __________________ "Hyperbole is the greatest thing ever" Redsland Last edited by Newport Red; 01-30-2009 at 10:53 PM.

01-30-2009, 10:37 PM	#12
gedred69 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: way-east of cincinnati Posts: 1,158	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt Looking at what's still out there, Has anything happened with Garciaparra? He's a bit younger. Betwixt him and Gonzalez, who would you rather see off the bench, and why? (Just asking)......................

01-30-2009, 10:40 PM	#13
TheBigLebowski Winning the Human Race Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Titletown, FL Posts: 3,798	Re: Per Fay: "Only looking at Fringe guys"...says Walt The Tavares signing was a head scratcher, no doubt. I still hope that this is all a part of some complicated gamesmanship - or, perhaps, brinksmanship. Otherwise, the fans have been sold a bill of goods. __________________ The land was farther away from the core and had much less gravity so bigness could develop and dominate -Jose Canseco

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