Willy Taveras in the WBC - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Nasty_Boy · 03-08-2009, 07:20 PM

I hope this isn't a sign of things to come but his baserunning has been garbage to say the least. He was thrown out trying to steal 3rd down 1 run in the 9th yesterday. Today he ran through a stop sign to get thrown out at the plate. Freel was always great at being a "fast" baserunner, but not a good baserunner and I hope that Willy isn't from this mold. We don't need a guy that takes chances and risks and inopportune times. That also scares me about the new speed and defense mold that the manager and the brass are pimping to the fans. I don't want us running just to be running, we need to be about 80-85% for the running game to have a positive impact. It also seems like we haven't been very successful stealing bags this springs... maybe that's not the case.

Does anybody else worry about this? Is it too early to pay this much attention to the running game?

goreds2 · 03-08-2009, 07:34 PM

I think ALOU (Manager) called the steal of 3rd.

I am hoping Dusty will have a talk with him concerning running through stop signs.

Chris Sabowned · 03-08-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by goreds2

I think ALOU (Manager) called the steal of 3rd.

I am hoping Dusty will have a talk with him concerning running through stop signs.

They said on the air today that Alou claimed he gave no sign, and Tavares stole it on his own.

goreds2 · 03-08-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Sabowned

They said on the air today that Alou claimed he gave no sign, and Tavares stole it on his own.

OUCH!

Grounds_Crew · 03-08-2009, 09:13 PM

The dude had more than 60 stolen bases last year. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

OldRed1966 · 03-08-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grounds_Crew

The dude had more than 60 stolen bases last year. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

If you're getting thrown out at third in the last inning with Hanley Ramirez at the plate then obviously not.

DTCromer · 03-08-2009, 09:56 PM

Depends on how many outs there were. If there was 1 out, I see no problem with it.

If there were 0 outs, then that's just plain stupid. If there were 2 outs, then he seriously needed to be banned from playing in the league.

With 1 out, I see no problem trying to get to 3rd base.

OldRed1966 · 03-08-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DTCromer

Depends on how many outs there were. If there was 1 out, I see no problem with it.

If there were 0 outs, then that's just plain stupid. If there were 2 outs, then he seriously needed to be banned from playing in the league.

With 1 out, I see no problem trying to get to 3rd base.

I don't care how many outs there were. You don't get thrown out at third base when your down one run in the last inning. You HAVE TO KNOW you can make it. He didn't.

DTCromer · 03-08-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldRed1966

I don't care how many outs there were. You don't get thrown out at third base when your down one run in the last inning. You HAVE TO KNOW you can make it. He didn't.

Do you know how many ways you can score a run when you're on 3rd base with 1 out?

I don't mind the aggressive play.

OldRed1966 · 03-08-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DTCromer

Do you know how many ways you can score a run when you're on 3rd base with 1 out?

I don't mind the aggressive play.

Do you know how many ways you can score a run with nobody on base and two out? It's stupid baseball, and any manager will tell you the same. You have to KNOW you can make it, otherwise you don't attempt it.

Nasty_Boy · 03-08-2009, 11:28 PM

You are the tying run, it's the 9th inning, you do not run! There is aggressive and then there is over agressive, and Taveras play falls in the later category. Dumb play and I'm afraid we are going to see many innings that get cut short by over aggressive baserunning.

TheNext44 · 03-09-2009, 12:44 AM

On the bright side, I doubt he will try to run in that situation again, now that he was embarrassed on national TV, and probably got ripped apart in the D.R. over it.

JBChance · 03-09-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nasty_Boy

You are the tying run, it's the 9th inning, you do not run! There is aggressive and then there is over agressive, and Taveras play falls in the later category. Dumb play and I'm afraid we are going to see many innings that get cut short by over aggressive baserunning.

No doubt, with his self-proclaimed assault on 100 SB, he's going to be extra-aggressive. That could see him running into a lot of outs.

The club will definitely need to get a handle on it.

Slyder · 03-09-2009, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JBChance

No doubt, with his self-proclaimed assault on 100 SB, he's going to be extra-aggressive. That could see him running into a lot of outs.

The club will definitely need to get a handle on it.

Every CS he has to run a lap, miss played pop up he runs a lap, every weak pop up we'll break our foot off in his bum and then he will proceed to do 20 push ups?

Sorry yes I just watched Remember the Titans and Major League.

JBChance · 03-09-2009, 01:22 AM

Can we whip it out, like Lou Brown, and whiz on his contract?

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03-08-2009, 07:20 PM	#1
Nasty_Boy Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 1st Place... Finally Posts: 1,121	Willy Taveras in the WBC I hope this isn't a sign of things to come but his baserunning has been garbage to say the least. He was thrown out trying to steal 3rd down 1 run in the 9th yesterday. Today he ran through a stop sign to get thrown out at the plate. Freel was always great at being a "fast" baserunner, but not a good baserunner and I hope that Willy isn't from this mold. We don't need a guy that takes chances and risks and inopportune times. That also scares me about the new speed and defense mold that the manager and the brass are pimping to the fans. I don't want us running just to be running, we need to be about 80-85% for the running game to have a positive impact. It also seems like we haven't been very successful stealing bags this springs... maybe that's not the case. Does anybody else worry about this? Is it too early to pay this much attention to the running game? __________________ I know a lot of people are talking about his on-base percentage (.308 in 2008), but I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage. - Our Beloved Manager

03-08-2009, 07:34 PM	#2
goreds2 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH H - EYE OH Posts: 2,567	Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC I think ALOU (Manager) called the steal of 3rd. I am hoping Dusty will have a talk with him concerning running through stop signs. __________________ * Attended the 1990 and 2010 Reds Division clinchers * Watched the 2012 Clincher on FOX. Proud owner of a 1990 Dodge Class B Motorhome: A chick magnet! GO STEELERS www.tracyjonesonline.com Great YOUTUBE videos.

03-08-2009, 09:13 PM	#5
Grounds_Crew Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 837	Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC The dude had more than 60 stolen bases last year. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing. __________________ "Rounding Third and Heading for Home"

03-08-2009, 09:56 PM	#7
DTCromer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,325	Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC Depends on how many outs there were. If there was 1 out, I see no problem with it. If there were 0 outs, then that's just plain stupid. If there were 2 outs, then he seriously needed to be banned from playing in the league. With 1 out, I see no problem trying to get to 3rd base.

03-08-2009, 11:28 PM	#11
Nasty_Boy Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 1st Place... Finally Posts: 1,121	Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC You are the tying run, it's the 9th inning, you do not run! There is aggressive and then there is over agressive, and Taveras play falls in the later category. Dumb play and I'm afraid we are going to see many innings that get cut short by over aggressive baserunning. __________________ I know a lot of people are talking about his on-base percentage (.308 in 2008), but I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage. - Our Beloved Manager

03-09-2009, 12:44 AM	#12
TheNext44 Socratic Gadfly Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,224	Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC On the bright side, I doubt he will try to run in that situation again, now that he was embarrassed on national TV, and probably got ripped apart in the D.R. over it.

03-09-2009, 01:22 AM	#15
JBChance Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Youngstown,OH Posts: 352	Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC Can we whip it out, like Lou Brown, and whiz on his contract? : __________________ I'm not cool enough to have a good signature

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