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blumj · 03-22-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chip R

I don't think you can ust look at ST stats and make a judgement one way or another. But for a guy like Jones, you look to see what he's done during the regular season as of late and you look at the ST stats and you have to think that the guy cannot hit anymore. It's highly unlikely that he's going to perform poorly in the spring and all of a sudden revert to All Star form when the regular season starts.

No, you watch how he plays, without paying any attention at all to ST stats, to come to your conclusion of whether or not he can play. You don't give a player extra credit for ST results or take credit away for lack of results.

LoganBuck · 03-22-2009, 12:56 PM

Jayson Stark was on WLW this morning. He said that he was at Harang's last start. He was concerned with what he saw. He asked scouts in attendance what they saw. The response was that he was only working on locating his fastball, no breaking stuff. The scouts thought he looked ok.

The take home lesson? We shall see on opening day.

Matt700wlw · 03-22-2009, 03:17 PM

Harang's stats don't bother me all that much....the reports of his fastball not being fast and his breaking pitches not breaking do.

redsmetz · 03-22-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Harang's stats don't bother me all that much....the reports of his fastball not being fast and his breaking pitches not breaking do.

I didn't get to hear much of the game today and there was no thread, but I heard that we combined to only give up two hits in the shutout against the Bucs today. I assume Harrang pitched well. Is that right?

edit: found this on the spring training updates from Sir Charles: "Actually, Aaron ended up going 6 innings of no hit ball and 4 k's and 2 bb's. Nice to see Aaron his dominant self again."

Matt700wlw · 03-22-2009, 04:01 PM

Off today...watching hoops...didnt listen. That report is good to see!

jesusfan · 03-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Nice game by Harang today, especially considering the Pirates were playing their starters and not the Sunday Special scrubs....

Matt700wlw · 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM

A 6 inning no no is more like the Aaron Harang I'm used to....

Ravenlord · 03-22-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

Emil Brown? What has he had to do with the Reds?

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...il-Brown.shtml

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The big guy was Stratton.

he probably would have made the team out of spring if not for his heel injury. either pitchers found a new way to get him out, or he didn't entirely recover from it, but he was out of the game not long after.

edabbs44 · 03-22-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Harang's stats don't bother me all that much....the reports of his fastball not being fast and his breaking pitches not breaking do.

From Gammons' article today:

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The Reds have let teams know that they will wait and see whether they need to move Aaron Harang during the season. Harang is scheduled to make $12.5 million next season and $12.75 million with a $2 million buyout for 2011. After going 34-23 with a 3.68 ERA from the start of the 2006 season until he made his four-inning relief stint on two days' rest on May 15, 2008, he went 4-11, 5.88. "Aaron's been OK this spring, because he battles so hard," one scout said. "But the life on the ball he runs in on left-handed batters isn't the same."

OnBaseMachine · 03-22-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by edabbs44

From Gammons' article today:

That proves nothing. The guy has made, what, three or four appearances so far? Nobody has their "A" stuff that early in ST.

Dusty on Harang today:

"He was sharp," Dusty Baker said. "He had a great breaking ball. Threw some good inside fast balls. That's as good an outing as I've seen in long time. He should feel very proud himself. Hopefully, we can go from here."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...cincinnati.com

*BaseClogger* · 03-22-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

That proves nothing. The guy has made, what, three or four appearances so far? Nobody has their "A" stuff that early in ST.

Dusty on Harang today:

"He was sharp," Dusty Baker said. "He had a great breaking ball. Threw some good inside fast balls. That's as good an outing as I've seen in long time. He should feel very proud himself. Hopefully, we can go from here."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...cincinnati.com

Sorry but I prefer the unbiased opinion of a scout over that of one Dusty Baker...

OnBaseMachine · 03-22-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

Sorry but I prefer the unbiased opinion of a scout over that of one Dusty Baker...

One scout. Early ST. Not a big deal to me. Again, who has their "A" stuff that early in ST? And I highly doubt that Dusty Baker made up the part about Harang having a good inside fastball today.

Team Clark · 03-22-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

One scout. Early ST. Not a big deal to me. Again, who has their "A" stuff that early in ST? And I highly doubt that Dusty Baker made up the part about Harang having a good inside fastball today.

I agree. I would be concerned if Aaron were saying "Man, I just don't know what is wrong out there". He's a pro, knew he had some mechanical timing issues and was working on them. Good enough for me. I think he will bounce back. Today's start was a good corner piece for him to build towards a successful April.

edabbs44 · 03-22-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

One scout. Early ST. Not a big deal to me. Again, who has their "A" stuff that early in ST? And I highly doubt that Dusty Baker made up the part about Harang having a good inside fastball today.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is funny how Baker is an idiot when he isn't on your side of the fence and all-knowing when he is.

Patrick Bateman · 03-22-2009, 11:27 PM

I personally think that anyone who's trying to use quotes by unnamed sources or Dusty Baker is barking up the wrong tree. I'm not neccessarily saying you guys are doing it, but if the intention is using those snippets as anything more than "food for thought" then I think your going to get a misinformed opinion. Until we see Harang in the regular season all of these opinions are just as worthless as the next.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but it is funny how Baker is an idiot when he isn't on your side of the fence and all-knowing when he is.

I was thinking the same thing (in general, not just pointed at you OBM).

03-22-2009, 12:56 PM	#32
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,585	Re: Hal - what's wrong and what's right Jayson Stark was on WLW this morning. He said that he was at Harang's last start. He was concerned with what he saw. He asked scouts in attendance what they saw. The response was that he was only working on locating his fastball, no breaking stuff. The scouts thought he looked ok. The take home lesson? We shall see on opening day. __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor

03-22-2009, 03:17 PM	#33
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,131	Re: Hal - what's wrong and what's right Harang's stats don't bother me all that much....the reports of his fastball not being fast and his breaking pitches not breaking do. __________________ An excited shade of Red

03-22-2009, 04:01 PM	#35
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,131	Re: Hal - what's wrong and what's right Off today...watching hoops...didnt listen. That report is good to see! __________________ An excited shade of Red

03-22-2009, 04:11 PM	#36
jesusfan Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Grayson, Ky Posts: 6,130	Re: Hal - what's wrong and what's right Nice game by Harang today, especially considering the Pirates were playing their starters and not the Sunday Special scrubs.... __________________ "There is a great man who makes every man feel small. But the real great man is the man who makes every man feel great." G.K Charleston

03-22-2009, 04:17 PM	#37
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,131	Re: Hal - what's wrong and what's right A 6 inning no no is more like the Aaron Harang I'm used to.... __________________ An excited shade of Red

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