5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies - Page 3 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

jojo · 05-21-2009, 01:17 PM

Of course the walk to Blanton set it all up...

CTA513 · 05-21-2009, 01:17 PM

4-0 Phillies

2 rbi single by Utley
rbi double by Ibanez

Owings now at 55 pitches and still trying to get the 3rd out in the 2nd inning.

Screwball · 05-21-2009, 01:18 PM

With Ramirez set to go on Sat (most likely), who's the long man if needed today?

Falls City Beer · 05-21-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Can't walk the pitcher, Micah.

Linchpin moment of the game, obvs.

lollipopcurve · 05-21-2009, 01:19 PM

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Owings already closing in on 50 pitches

Watch Dusty throw Ramirez in long relief.

With Ramirez apparently in the rotation, the bullpen is now short an arm until Volquez comes back or is disabled. Looks like they'll get their fair share of innings today.

cumberlandreds · 05-21-2009, 01:20 PM

MLB audio won't stay on for me today. It seems like that may be a good thing. Marty rightly said there's a big difference in pitching against the Padres and D'Backs as opposed to the Phillies. Make one mistake and you will pay for it. Walking the pitcher is about a big a mistake you can make.

Kc61 · 05-21-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

Watch Dusty throw Ramirez in long relief.

With Ramirez apparently in the rotation, the bullpen is now short an arm until Volquez comes back or is disabled. Looks like they'll get their fair share of innings today.

It could mean Reds will bring up Bailey or Maloney to start on Saturday. Maybe Lincoln needs some DL time, a long toss program or something.

lollipopcurve · 05-21-2009, 01:24 PM

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guess Owings did need the extra day.

Let's keep in mind that pitching at noon today means Owings did not get the usual 4 days' rest. He pitched late Saturday night in San Diego, coming off the mound at about 1AM, Cincinnati time, Sunday morning. Turning him around for noon on Thursday is technically a 3 and half days' rest. So, he's going on short rest for two straight starts. It's mismanagement of the staff, pure and simple.

Falls City Beer · 05-21-2009, 01:26 PM

It's much more that Owings isn't very good vs. mismanagment.

Screwball · 05-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Blanton's showing Owings how it's done. Strikes out two and gets 'em 1-2-3 in the 2nd.

cumberlandreds · 05-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Blanton, the pitcher with a 6.86 ERA, sets the Reds down in order. 4-0 Phils after two.

Falls City Beer · 05-21-2009, 01:29 PM

Two pitchers, two stories: one throwing strikes putting up zeros; one who can't find the zone, down by 4. This game is simple.

traderumor · 05-21-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Reds pitching right now is heading towards a major correction: Arroyo's not improving, the chinks are showing in Owings, Volquez is banged up, the bullpen can't stay hot for an eternity.

one not so hot start so far today is showing chinks?

Falls City Beer · 05-21-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

Blanton, the pitcher with a 6.86 ERA, sets the Reds down in order. 4-0 Phils after two.

Blanton's due for a correction in the right direction; Owings was due for one in the wrong direction (ERA-wise).

Things correct quickly against an offense like the Phils'.

Kc61 · 05-21-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

Let's keep in mind that pitching at noon today means Owings did not get the usual 4 days' rest. He pitched late Saturday night in San Diego, coming off the mound at about 1AM, Cincinnati time, Sunday morning. Turning him around for noon on Thursday is technically a 3 and half days' rest. So, he's going on short rest for two straight starts. It's mismanagement of the staff, pure and simple.

I'll admit it hasn't worked out, but I wouldn't take this argument too far. Owings only threw 81 pitches Saturday and only 90 the start before that. He had all day Sunday off after 1AM, all day Monday off, all day Tuesday off, all day Wednesday off. This game was 12:30 pm on Thursday. That sounds like a full four days off to me.

Last year with Harang the problem was bringing him back on three days' rest, that didn't happen today. And Ramirez is not Cy Young either, no assurance what he would have done.

The problem may be that the Phils are loaded with left handed hitting, Owings has a full 2.00 WHIP against lefties this year, not a very good number. It's just not a great match up for him.

So yes, in retrospect Dusty shouldn't have pitched him, but it's not the crime of the century.

05-21-2009, 01:17 PM	#31
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,695	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies Of course the walk to Blanton set it all up... __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

05-21-2009, 01:17 PM	#32
CTA513 Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 10,703	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies 4-0 Phillies 2 rbi single by Utley rbi double by Ibanez Owings now at 55 pitches and still trying to get the 3rd out in the 2nd inning.

05-21-2009, 01:18 PM	#33
Screwball Boom Goes the Dynamite Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Chester Posts: 2,406	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies With Ramirez set to go on Sat (most likely), who's the long man if needed today?

05-21-2009, 01:20 PM	#36
cumberlandreds Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 7,983	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies MLB audio won't stay on for me today. It seems like that may be a good thing. Marty rightly said there's a big difference in pitching against the Padres and D'Backs as opposed to the Phillies. Make one mistake and you will pay for it. Walking the pitcher is about a big a mistake you can make. __________________ Reds Fan Since 1971

05-21-2009, 01:26 PM	#39
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies It's much more that Owings isn't very good vs. mismanagment.

05-21-2009, 01:28 PM	#40
Screwball Boom Goes the Dynamite Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Chester Posts: 2,406	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies Blanton's showing Owings how it's done. Strikes out two and gets 'em 1-2-3 in the 2nd.

05-21-2009, 01:29 PM	#42
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies Two pitchers, two stories: one throwing strikes putting up zeros; one who can't find the zone, down by 4. This game is simple.

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