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OldXOhio · 06-11-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

Sad thing is, that this is just common sense type stuff that many of us have been saying for months, even when they were just flirting with the idea of signing Willy.

You know, common sense type stuff like Gomes over McDonald. Wow. Rocket science.

Months??? We've had these arguments over a variety of different players for years now.

BuckeyeRedleg · 06-11-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldXOhio

Months??? We've had these arguments over a variety of different players for years now.

Yeah? And we've been discussing/arguing/whatever about Willy Taveras for months.

OldXOhio · 06-11-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

Yeah? And we've been discussing/arguing/whatever about Willy Taveras for months.

This year's Willy is last year's Corey which was the year before's Juan....

Troubling thing is they've all been no brainers.

BuckeyeRedleg · 06-11-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OldXOhio

This year's Willy is last year's Corey which was the year before's Juan....

Troubling thing is they've all been no brainers.

Amen.

Homer Bailey · 06-11-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

Dickerson is far better (and younger and cheaper), with a much higher ceiling than Taveras in everything (but stealing bases).

Heisey and Stubbs, down on the farm, are BOTH arguably better than Taveras.

Stubbs and Dickerson should platoon NOW. Stubbs is ready and Heisey needs challenged in Louisville.

There simply is no reason that Willy Taveras should occupy a roster spot with this team.

Sad thing is, that this is just common sense type stuff that many of us have been saying for months, even when they were just flirting with the idea of signing Willy.

You know, common sense type stuff like Gomes over McDonald. Wow. Rocket science.

This is what is so uber-frustrating to me. Moves that seem so simple that this front office repeatedly screws up. There is no way that Taveras should have ever been signed. There is no way that Darnell McDonald should have ever made the major league roster. And definitley no way he should stay on the roster for 40 games. And despite all of this, somehow the Reds are 1.5 games back!

I(heart)Freel · 06-11-2009, 01:17 PM

Willy's legs are his game. His entire game. If he can't leg out the occasional infield single and steal a bag or two a series, he is not helping this team.

My prediction: Dusty gives him this weekend or so to show he can do those things. If he can't, he goes on the DL (sore hammy) to make room for Votto's triumphant return.

mbgrayson · 06-11-2009, 02:37 PM

Taveras clearly is experiencing leg or hammy related problems. Just looked and he doesn't have a steal since May 22nd, in his last 10 games played. He also missed a number of games in that time span, and has one caught stealing.

Without speed and stolen bases, Willy T. has no area of superiority over Dickerson at all.

RichRed · 06-11-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mbgrayson

Taveras clearly is experiencing leg or hammy related problems. Just looked and he doesn't have a steal since May 22nd, in his last 10 games played. He also missed a number of games in that time span, and has one caught stealing.

Without speed and stolen bases, Willy T. has no area of superiority over Dickerson at all.

Hard to steal when you can't even get on base, but your point is taken. (He's been on base all of 6 times in his past 10 games played - ugh.)

Redlegs · 06-11-2009, 07:13 PM

At this point, I really can't see what Taveras brings to this club.

Chip R · 06-11-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlegs

At this point, I really can't see what Taveras brings to this club.

Why do you hate Speed and Defense?

KronoRed · 06-11-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlegs

At this point, I really can't see what Taveras brings to this club.

Lots of easy outs

jojo · 06-11-2009, 10:30 PM

Right now Willy would have tough time winning a poll asking "Willy or Roseanne Barr in CF?" and that's with the caveat that Roseanne would also be singing the national anthem.

Chip R · 06-11-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Right now Willy would have tough time winning a poll asking "Willy or Roseanne Barr in CF?" and that's with the caveat that Roseanne would also be singing the national anthem.

I think Roseanne would take better routes to the ball.

dougdirt · 06-12-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chip R

I think Roseanne would take better routes to the ball.

Only if we told her it had cream filling

TheNext44 · 06-12-2009, 01:08 AM

I have a conspiracy theory about the Taveras signing.

Just a hunch, but I think that Dusty went to Walt and said I want Taveras. He's a leadoff hitter in CF. A speedy guy who plays solid defense. My dream guy.

Walt said okay, knowing that the Reds probably were not going to contend, and this way he can say to Dusty at the end of the year, we tried it your way, it didn't work, now let's try it the right way.
He knew that either Dickerson or Stubbs would be ready by the end of this year or next year, so Taveras would just be a $6M stopgap until then. And a fifth outfielder for $6M for two years is not that outrageous, and something the Reds could afford.
And maybe, just maybe, Taveras has a year more like 2007 than 2008.

And now that Taveras is more like 08 than 07, and the Reds are contending, I think that Walt will give Dusty to the All-Star break with Taveras. If he doesn't turn it around, at the very least, Dickerson will platoon with him in CF.

Just a hunch. Maybe wishful thinking?

06-11-2009, 01:17 PM	#36
I(heart)Freel Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Side (No Diggity) Posts: 1,010	Re: Willy Taveras or Chris Dickerson in CF? Willy's legs are his game. His entire game. If he can't leg out the occasional infield single and steal a bag or two a series, he is not helping this team. My prediction: Dusty gives him this weekend or so to show he can do those things. If he can't, he goes on the DL (sore hammy) to make room for Votto's triumphant return. __________________ I have a love-hate relationship with Albert Pujols. Mostly hate.

06-11-2009, 02:37 PM	#37
mbgrayson Red's fan Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 1,933	Re: Willy Taveras or Chris Dickerson in CF? Taveras clearly is experiencing leg or hammy related problems. Just looked and he doesn't have a steal since May 22nd, in his last 10 games played. He also missed a number of games in that time span, and has one caught stealing. Without speed and stolen bases, Willy T. has no area of superiority over Dickerson at all. __________________ __________________ "I genuinely like this team. I like the vibe and spirit of this team. This is just the beginning." Dusty on 2/19/12.

06-11-2009, 07:13 PM	#39
Redlegs Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Scout Seats Posts: 702	Re: Willy Taveras or Chris Dickerson in CF? At this point, I really can't see what Taveras brings to this club. __________________ As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

06-11-2009, 10:30 PM	#42
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,570	Re: Willy Taveras or Chris Dickerson in CF? Right now Willy would have tough time winning a poll asking "Willy or Roseanne Barr in CF?" and that's with the caveat that Roseanne would also be singing the national anthem. __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

06-12-2009, 01:08 AM	#45
TheNext44 Socratic Gadfly Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,224	Re: Willy Taveras or Chris Dickerson in CF? I have a conspiracy theory about the Taveras signing. Just a hunch, but I think that Dusty went to Walt and said I want Taveras. He's a leadoff hitter in CF. A speedy guy who plays solid defense. My dream guy. Walt said okay, knowing that the Reds probably were not going to contend, and this way he can say to Dusty at the end of the year, we tried it your way, it didn't work, now let's try it the right way. He knew that either Dickerson or Stubbs would be ready by the end of this year or next year, so Taveras would just be a $6M stopgap until then. And a fifth outfielder for $6M for two years is not that outrageous, and something the Reds could afford. And maybe, just maybe, Taveras has a year more like 2007 than 2008. And now that Taveras is more like 08 than 07, and the Reds are contending, I think that Walt will give Dusty to the All-Star break with Taveras. If he doesn't turn it around, at the very least, Dickerson will platoon with him in CF. Just a hunch. Maybe wishful thinking? __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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