Rolen Talks Revived - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Benihana · 07-25-2009, 05:15 PM

So typical of the Reds...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9...ble-Rolen-deal

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Sources: Jays, Reds talking possible Rolen deal
The Reds and Blue Jays have had discussions within the past several days about a trade that would send Toronto third baseman Scott Rolen to Cincinnati, major league sources told FOXSports.com on Saturday.

The sides are still trying to determine which players would head to Toronto in the deal, but the source said that third baseman Edwin Encarnacion would be included.

A deal was not imminent as of Saturday afternoon, as Rolen played third base for the Blue Jays during their extra-inning game against Tampa Bay. The possible Rolen trade could also be affected by Toronto's ongoing trade talks relating to Roy Halladay.

Rolen won a World Series while playing for current Reds general manager Walt Jocketty in St. Louis. Cincinnati officials have been looking for a right-handed hitter such as Rolen for much of the season.

Rolen is having his best year since 2006, batting .319 with seven home runs and 37 RBIs.

The Reds, who have lost five straight games, are widely expected to sell at the deadline. But acquiring Rolen would give the team a head start on planning for 2010, since Rolen is already under contract for next year at $11 million.

Unless owner Bob Castellini plans to expand the team's payroll, acquiring Rolen may necessitate that Jocketty move other salaries off the books. One source with knowledge of the team's plans said the Reds have already made right-handers Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo available on the trade market.

Harang will earn $12.5 million next year, Arroyo $11 million.

I'm not interested unless Halladay is involved.

redsfandan · 07-25-2009, 05:16 PM

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Blue Jays, Reds Discussing Rolen By Drew Silva [July 25 at 3:59pm CST]

According to Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com, a source has indicated that the Blue Jays and Reds are discussing a trade involving third baseman Scott Rolen. As Morosi writes,

"The sides are still trying to determine which players would head to Toronto in the deal, but the source said that third baseman Edwin Encarnacion would be included."

Rolen is enjoying a nice resurgence this season after spending the last several years battling injuries. As of Saturday afternoon, he's batting .317/.372/.469 with seven home runs and 37 RBI in 322 at-bats. He is owed $11MM next season and about $3.5MM for the rest of '09. The Reds are quickly falling out of contention, but adding Rolen's veteran presence and Gold Glove defense would surely help them chase the NL Wild Card.

Will M · 07-25-2009, 05:19 PM

if its EE & another player/prospect then sign me up. why? because both EE's & Rolen's contracts are up after 2010 but Rolen is a better hitter & a way better fielder. it would be step #1 of improving the team for 2010. it would help this years team also but the #1 goal of any move Walt makes should be to improve the team from 2010 on.

alexad · 07-25-2009, 05:19 PM

We are chasing our own tail, not to mention four other teams in the NL Central. So yea trade for Rolen and then chase the NL Wild Card.

Maybe three weeks ago, this would of been an awesome story.

StillFunkyB · 07-25-2009, 05:19 PM

I would love to have Scott Rolen....

Seven years ago.

reds44 · 07-25-2009, 05:20 PM

I think this is a move for 2010...

Benihana · 07-25-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Will M

if its EE & another player/prospect then sign me up. why? because both EE's & Rolen's contracts are up after 2010 but Rolen is a better hitter & a way better fielder. it would be step #1 of improving the team for 2010. it would help this years team also but the #1 goal of any move Walt makes should be to improve the team from 2010 on.

The difference in their salaries will most likely prevent other additions for next season, be it a Lackey, Holliday, or otherwise.

This is the exact type of Reds move that is half-assing it for the rest of the year. "Look what we did to try and contend!" after they are already out of it. Like I said, if Halladay is in the deal, or there are other high-priced acquisitions, then it's something else. If this is it, I'm not interested.

redsfandan · 07-25-2009, 05:33 PM

I wouldn't assume that this deal (IF it happens) would mean they wouldn't do anything else. Too soon to tell. But like others, I think this would be more for 2010. While the playoffs isn't technically impossible this year yet the odds are pretty stacked against it.

SirFelixCat · 07-25-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

The difference in their salaries will most likely prevent other additions for next season, be it a Lackey, Holliday, or otherwise.

This is the exact type of Reds move that is half-assing it for the rest of the year. "Look what we did to try and contend!" after they are already out of it. Like I said, if Halladay is in the deal, or there are other high-priced acquisitions, then it's something else. If this is it, I'm not interested.

Agreed. And 3b is not the issue w/ this team right now. Plain and simple.

Falls City Beer · 07-25-2009, 05:35 PM

I think this move would mean that other moves are certainly pending. The payroll isn't going to go up.

Falls City Beer · 07-25-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFelixCat

Agreed. And 3b is not the issue w/ this team right now. Plain and simple.

Yes it is.

reds44 · 07-25-2009, 05:36 PM

I just refuse to believe this would be the only move. I'd have to think there are more trades to follow. Considering Walt has said time and time again they won't make a move to mortgage the future, this has to be more for next year, with more moves to follow.

reds44 · 07-25-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFelixCat

Agreed. And 3b is not the issue w/ this team right now. Plain and simple.

Is it the top issue? No, but even I am starting to think it needs to be improved.

Benihana · 07-25-2009, 05:43 PM

I would not include a Top 10 prospect with EE for Rolen, unless the Jays were picking up some of the bill.

However for Rolen and Halladay, I'd offer Alonso, Wood, Heisey, and just about anyone else in Dayton or Sarasota- provided they'd take EE and Arroyo to offset some of the cost.

SirFelixCat · 07-25-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by reds44

Is it the top issue? No, but even I am starting to think it needs to be improved.

That's my point. This simply isn't a pressing need. Give me a real, major league SS, a real LF that isn't a statue and some SP's...

My point isn't that EdE is the best we can hope for. Fine, if improving 3b is feasible, I'm all for it, but it's hardly a top 3 issue on this team.

07-25-2009, 05:19 PM	#3
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	Re: Rolen Talks Revived if its EE & another player/prospect then sign me up. why? because both EE's & Rolen's contracts are up after 2010 but Rolen is a better hitter & a way better fielder. it would be step #1 of improving the team for 2010. it would help this years team also but the #1 goal of any move Walt makes should be to improve the team from 2010 on. __________________ .

07-25-2009, 05:19 PM	#4
alexad HS Athletic Director Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleves, Ohio Posts: 1,165	Re: Rolen Talks Revived We are chasing our own tail, not to mention four other teams in the NL Central. So yea trade for Rolen and then chase the NL Wild Card. Maybe three weeks ago, this would of been an awesome story. __________________ Taylor High School Home of the "Yellowjackets"

07-25-2009, 05:19 PM	#5
StillFunkyB Your killin' me Smalls! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 3,098	Re: Rolen Talks Revived I would love to have Scott Rolen.... Seven years ago. __________________ "And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul." FCB on Gary Majewski

07-25-2009, 05:33 PM	#8
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,361	Re: Rolen Talks Revived I wouldn't assume that this deal (IF it happens) would mean they wouldn't do anything else. Too soon to tell. But like others, I think this would be more for 2010. While the playoffs isn't technically impossible this year yet the odds are pretty stacked against it. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

07-25-2009, 05:35 PM	#10
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: Rolen Talks Revived I think this move would mean that other moves are certainly pending. The payroll isn't going to go up.

07-25-2009, 05:43 PM	#14
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,434	Re: Rolen Talks Revived I would not include a Top 10 prospect with EE for Rolen, unless the Jays were picking up some of the bill. However for Rolen and Halladay, I'd offer Alonso, Wood, Heisey, and just about anyone else in Dayton or Sarasota- provided they'd take EE and Arroyo to offset some of the cost. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

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