Rolen Talks Revived

[JaxRed]

Essentially every move Jocketty has made has so far (or not made) has reflected the reality of a small market team. Dumping Griffey and Dunn, not trading for Dye. Not signing any Krivsky-like disaster contracts (Harang, Arroyo, Cordero, and semi-disaster contract Gonzalez).

So trading EE and a prospect for an 11 milion dollar guy would be a very bad sign.

[Ron Madden]

Originally Posted by JaxRed

Essentially every move Jocketty has made has so far (or not made) has reflected the reality of a small market team. Dumping Griffey and Dunn, not trading for Dye. Not signing any Krivsky-like disaster contracts (Harang, Arroyo, Cordero, and semi-disaster contract Gonzalez).

So trading EE and a prospect for an 11 milion dollar guy would be a very bad sign.

I agree. Rolens best days are well behind him, I don't think he is worth 11 million.

[edabbs44]

Originally Posted by Ron Madden

I agree. Rolens best days are well behind him, I don't think he is worth 11 million.

There would have to be a decent amt of money coming back.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by edabbs44

There would have to be a decent amt of money coming back.

I imagine Ricciardi is moving Rolen to shed money.

If Rolen could fill the salary space left by Arroyo if he's moved, it would be a mammoth coup. But that's two "if"s

[edabbs44]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

I imagine Ricciardi is moving Rolen to shed money.

If Rolen could fill the salary space left by Arroyo if he's moved, it would be a mammoth coup. But that's two "if"s

Shedding money could mean taking on 50%.

EdE and a prospect is a decent return. I would assume that Toronto is paying some of his remaining money.

[LoganBuck]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC

re-sign Gonzalez,

Shhhhhh!!!! Don't even think about it. Someone will read that. I have to go pour rubbing alcohol in my eyes for even reading that.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC

If they trade for Rolen and re-sign Gonzalez, they can have a great defensive left side of the infield on the DL next season. I have always liked Rolen, but a 35 year old third baseman with a history of back problems sounds scary to me.

Rolen is good for about 1 productive, and healthy, year out of every 4 seasons at this point.

[redsfandan]

6:08pm: AOL FanHouse's Ed Price tweets that it's possible for the Reds to acquire Rolen, "but a lot would have to happen," according to a source.

Now I don't know who Ed Price is but I think the point is that, at this point, it's just a rumor.

[RANDY IN INDY]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Gonzo is not going to be the primary shortstop next year. It would be ridiculous for that to happen. He's had too many injuries, too much mileage to be the primary shortstop next year. And his contract is up.

Anything's possible, but that's not a realistic scenario.

As for third base, it's not as if EE has been injury free this season. Worst case, we have another mix and match year at third. And it's not like Griffey at all. Rolen isn't getting a lengthy extension, this is for a couple of years.

I'm not ecstatic about this possibility, but it would be a reasonable risk, a decent move for 2010 if the price is not too high.

I said that, about Gonzo, mainly in jest. I would hope that he is on someone else's DL next season.

[GradyHatton]

Originally Posted by redsfandan

Like others have mentioned, this only works if there are also other moves made as well. It's something entirely different if it's the only move.

Seems to me that any move will have minimal positive impact if it's the only move. That said, I'm in favor of bringing in Rolen. Then get a shortstop.....and a corner outfielder.......and.......

[RedEye]

Are we really certain that Rolen, at his age, would be that much of an upgrade over EE? Since when have 26 year-old, cheap, productive 3B gone out of style? I just don't get it.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by RedEye

Are we really certain that Rolen, at his age, would be that much of an upgrade over EE? Since when have 26 year-old, cheap, productive 3B gone out of style? I just don't get it.

EdE has out-produced Rolen both of the past 2 seasons, while staying vastly more healthy. And I wouldn't be surprised to see EdE be more productive this year during the July-September period.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by Stormy

EdE has out-produced Rolen both of the past 2 seasons, while staying vastly more healthy. And I wouldn't be surprised to see EdE be more productive this year during the July-September period.

EdE's fine, but he's not a 3rd baseman. That's beyond established. I'd have no problem keeping him and putting him in LF. But if he moves to LF, then the Reds have no 3rd baseman in earnest. Enter Rolen.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

EdE's fine, but he's not a 3rd baseman. That's beyond established. I'd have no problem keeping him and putting him in LF. But if he moves to LF, then the Reds have no 3rd baseman in earnest. Enter Rolen.

Yea, I see where you are coming from. I would still feel that Rolen's salary is a luxury we can't afford, given that his addition would still leave us needing to vastly upgrade SS, LF and a mid-high rotation spot. A lot of money allocated to a guy who hasn't produced consistently in years, and who is on a first name basis with the DL.

[IslandRed]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

EdE's fine, but he's not a 3rd baseman. That's beyond established. I'd have no problem keeping him and putting him in LF. But if he moves to LF, then the Reds have no 3rd baseman in earnest. Enter Rolen.

Yep. And starting next year, Encarnacion's not that cheap. Cheaper than Rolen, yes. But no longer cheap enough for the prevailing logic to this point -- "good offense, he gives a lot of it back on defense, but that's okay, he's cheap" -- to remain nearly as logical.