Which prospects do the Reds like?

[malcontent]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

First of all, I take the "giving in" remark with a grain of salt; it's the kind of thing a shrewd trader of anything says in order to make the other side feel good about what it's got--and that's important if you want to do future deals.

After witnessing this gem of a deal go down, I think it's far more likely that Old Walt has simply lost the editing function to cover his tracks as he wanders from house to house looking for recognizable faces from his St. Louis past.

I will give him this: he'll admit to a reeker when it's in his drawers.

[Screwball]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

I think you can look at the numbers for Heisey and Stubbs at Louisville and see there's reason to believe they need more time at AAA. Good teams actually do what the Reds are now doing: not rushing prospects. As to Stewart, I suggest the Reds really liked him; remember Jocketty drafted him. Toronto also liked him; probably both sides were right. That's why we got a hall of fame 3bman for him. We didn't get Rolen for a guy who has no position and a pretty heavy contract in his own right. I think this trade was Rolen for Stewart all the way.

Chris Buckley is in charge of the Reds' drafts. If I sent you out to do my grocery shopping, I might tell you to get a steak, but may or may not like the kind that you got me.

[GIDP]

Originally Posted by Screwball

Chris Buckley is in charge of the Reds' drafts. If I sent you out to do my grocery shopping, I might tell you to get a steak, but may or may not like the kind that you got me.

I think of it more like this, Buckley bought a 5 dollar steak it turned out to be a 25 dollar steak. Walt just looked on the receipt and sold it for the original sale price.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by GIDP

Well what I'm saying is that they dont like anyone enough to keep them. I feel that every player is touchable and from my POV trading any of them would not surprise me after the Rolen deal. I can see them trading anyone for just about anyone else right now. Players who I thought they would only deal for long term fixes were just traded for short term fixes. I dont think they dislike guys but I certainly feel they dont have any untouchables, or players they really really value.

Here, here! I can't help but feel the same way, in fact it's now days later and I can't seem to get over it and the minor league forum just became far less important too me. No sense in investing time watching them grow just to see them ultimately shine for some other organization. In time that may change afterall Walt makes about 1 deal every calender year so I probably won't have to worry about losing another until this time next year. My biggest issue in dealing Zach Stewart besides the obvious (too much quality too give up for Rolen) is that I cannot trust Walt and company not to make future similiar mistakes. I mean if Walt can't see Stewart was too valuable to trade for Rolen what's from stopping him from trading Alonso for a subpar return, Frazier, Cozart etc.

It would be one thing if I trusted his/their talent evaluation skills as then I could take some comfort that maybe there is something there we don't know about Stewart. And perhaps there is but I don't trust his skills or anyone around him for that matter. We'll see but I think we ultimately regret trading away a potential well above average starting pitcher for anything short of something similiarly valuable. If Stewart ends up a reliever of any kind and Rolen gives this team a professional standard that they actually use to make them winners for a longtime the deal will be more than worth it but something tells me that isn't gonna happen quite the way they are planning.

Oh and for those who say you gotta give up something to get something tell that to Walt who got more for Jr than he did for Dunn and gave up more for Rolen than either.

[Mario-Rijo]

Sorry to get off track but had to get that off my chest and put it to rest.

Now prospects they like? Tough to say they haven't shown any particular favoritism or shown any one particular way of advancing guys that makes any sense.

But from how they talk you would have to believe that they value a professional attitude over most other qualities so I'd have to believe that Frazier, Heisey and Alonso are high on their list they seem to be just as professional as they are good after that who knows.

[paulrichjr]

One thing that kills me is that they appear to have sold Stewart for $4 million dollars and now will have to spend close to that to find a bullpen guy this winter (who will be a "Vet")...when he obviously could have at least done that job next year for a lot less.