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M2 · 08-07-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Because the 5.8 K/9, 5.0 BB/9, and the 1.55 WHIP is really knocking my socks off

Plus, since when did you have to dissect a 7.09 ERA? That's hit-you-in-the-face-with-an-oar awful.

BRM · 08-07-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by M2

Plus, since when did you have to dissect a 7.09 ERA? That's hit-you-in-the-face-with-an-oar awful.

The ERA is not important. He has a new pitch.

Matt700wlw · 08-07-2009, 02:14 PM

Let him pitch. His future is now up to him.

Eric_the_Red · 08-07-2009, 02:14 PM

Remember when Bailey was pitching very well this spring, and some questioned whether this was year that he finally put it all together, and he could possibly be the final piece of the rotation puzzle that lead the Reds to the playoffs this year?

...

Yeah, me neither.

M2 · 08-07-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BRM

The ERA is not important. He has a new pitch.

Meet the new pitch, same as the old pitch.

Eric_the_Red · 08-07-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M2

Meet the new pitch, same as the old pitch.

Will Pujols be fooled again?

M2 · 08-07-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric_the_Red

Will Pujols be fooled again?

Not nearly often enough. No one else is ... except for people voting in this poll.

BRM · 08-07-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by M2

Meet the new pitch, same as the old pitch.

You haven't been following closely enough. He has a splitter now. A splitter!

Matt700wlw · 08-07-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric_the_Red

Will Pujols be fooled again?

Is Pujols ever fooled?

jojo · 08-07-2009, 02:20 PM

Homer will be lucky to post 100 innings with the Reds this season.

There is no need to force a decision on Homer this off season given he won't even have 200 innings in the majors, the Reds rotation doesn't exactly look like it will have a line of arms seriously contending for a spot, and the Reds look to be long shots in 2010 at best.

Generally pitchers should have to kick the door down to get to dance. Homer has been mismanaged but given Homer's lack of options and the general lack of quality arms in the high minors behind him, really someone should have to kick the door both down and onto Homer's head IMHO.

Like I said, unless trading him is results in a clear, meaningful improvement for the Reds, it's not yet time to give up IMHO.

jojo · 08-07-2009, 02:26 PM

I think focusing upon whether Homer has an ERA of 7 or 6 is as arbitrary as it gets when deciding upon the role of a pitcher and the direction of an organization.

Benihana · 08-07-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Homer will be lucky to post 100 innings with the Reds this season.

There is no need to force a decision on Homer this off season given he won't even have 200 innings in the majors, the Reds rotation doesn't exactly look like it will have a line of arms seriously contending for a spot, and the Reds look to be long shots in 2010 at best.

Generally pitchers should have to kick the door down to get to dance. Homer has been mismanaged but given Homer's lack of options and the general lack of quality arms in the high minors behind him, really someone should have to kick the door both down and onto Homer's head IMHO.

Like I said, unless trading him is results in a clear, meaningful improvement for the Reds, it's not yet time to give up IMHO.

Wouldn't replacing a 7.06 ERA in the rotation (even with a 6.06 ERA) make for a clear, meaningful improvement?

No one is saying he shouldn't pitch out the rest of this lost season. But if he can't put up an ERA under 7.00 (let alone 6.00), anything- and I mean ANYTHING- would be a meaningful improvement over him.

M2 · 08-07-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

I think focusing upon whether Homer has an ERA of 7 or 6 is as arbitrary as it gets when deciding upon the role of a pitcher and the direction of an organization.

I think it's criminal to hand a pitcher that bad a job.

My take is he's got until the end of this season to show signs of life and if he doesn't then the Reds are honor bound to find better pitchers.

Benihana · 08-07-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

I think focusing upon whether Homer has an ERA of 7 or 6 is as arbitrary as it gets when deciding upon the role of a pitcher and the direction of an organization.

Not if the only goal for Homer is to see improvement.

BRM · 08-07-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by M2

I think it's criminal to hand a pitcher that bad a job.

My take is he's got until the end of this season to show signs of life and if he doesn't then the Reds are honor bound to find better pitchers.

I'd like to see them find better pitchers regardless of how Homer finishes this season.

View Poll Results: Assuming he shows no improvement, what should be done with Homer Bailey next year?
He stays in the 2010 rotation	57	65.52%
Put him in the bullpen	18	20.69%
Trade him	9	10.34%
DFA him (send him down/expose him to waivers)	0	0%
Who cares? I'm sick of hearing about him	3	3.45%
Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

08-07-2009, 02:14 PM	#63
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,130	Re: Homer Bailey Let him pitch. His future is now up to him. __________________ An excited shade of Red

08-07-2009, 02:14 PM	#64
Eric_the_Red Mr.Redlegs is my homeboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,171	Re: Homer Bailey Remember when Bailey was pitching very well this spring, and some questioned whether this was year that he finally put it all together, and he could possibly be the final piece of the rotation puzzle that lead the Reds to the playoffs this year? ... Yeah, me neither.

08-07-2009, 02:20 PM	#70
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,569	Re: Homer Bailey Homer will be lucky to post 100 innings with the Reds this season. There is no need to force a decision on Homer this off season given he won't even have 200 innings in the majors, the Reds rotation doesn't exactly look like it will have a line of arms seriously contending for a spot, and the Reds look to be long shots in 2010 at best. Generally pitchers should have to kick the door down to get to dance. Homer has been mismanaged but given Homer's lack of options and the general lack of quality arms in the high minors behind him, really someone should have to kick the door both down and onto Homer's head IMHO. Like I said, unless trading him is results in a clear, meaningful improvement for the Reds, it's not yet time to give up IMHO. __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

08-07-2009, 02:26 PM	#71
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,569	Re: Homer Bailey I think focusing upon whether Homer has an ERA of 7 or 6 is as arbitrary as it gets when deciding upon the role of a pitcher and the direction of an organization. __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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