Reds 40 Man Roster as of 8/1/09. What players need protection in Rule V draft?

[TheNext44]

Burton is Arb eligible, so considering his performance this year, and his injury, he might not get offered a contract. If he's smart, he would agree to sign for a reasonable amount before it got to that point, but if he insists on a big raise, the Reds might just non-tender him.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by mth123

Good info. That's 10 names. Spots freed up - probably 7 (Weathers, Gonzalez, Hernandez, Lehr, Wells, Richar, Nix, Thompson less one for Castillo coming off the DL). The 7 I'd protect are Heisey, Stubbs, Wood, Valaika, Ondrusek, Smith and Viola. Valiquette, Dorn and Watson would be left off for the draft. The Reds should release Taveras and Lincoln and protect Dorn and Valiquette. I wouldn't cut anyone else from the current 40 man unless the team can make some August or November deals to free more space.

That's about how I would see it if the players are accurate. Not sure I wouldn't protect Valiquette or Dorn over Ondrusek but I'm not as up on him as others I always thought he was more of a 6th/7th inning type of arm, kind of Manuel-Esque but as I said I don't know enough about his stuff to be positive.

I do question if those players are accurate for instance I didn't think Valaika and Watson would have to be put on it already. But I can't recall all the rule 5 eligible rules. I just know we drafted them what 2-3 years ago?

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by TheNext44

Burton is Arb eligible, so considering his performance this year, and his injury, he might not get offered a contract. If he's smart, he would agree to sign for a reasonable amount before it got to that point, but if he insists on a big raise, the Reds might just non-tender him.

I'd hate to see that I am hoping Burton and Bray come back healthy and productive next year. If so losing Roenicke & Stewart doesn't hurt as much.

[GIDP]

there is no way we dont offer Burton arbitration if hes eligible. Even with the good years he had we still isnt going to be getting that much money. Plus its not like we have relievers piling up to replace him now that we traded Manuel, Josh and Zach.

[HokieRed]

Hadn't really been paying that much attention, but Jeff Kennard is scoreless over his last 10 appearances, 16.2 with 22 K's. Might end up mattering to the question of this thread.

[redsmetz]

Here's what the rule is for players needing to be protected:

Eligibility: A player not on a team's Major League 40-man roster is eligible for the Rule 5 draft if: the player was 18 or younger when he first signed a pro contract and this is the fourth Rule 5 draft since he signed, OR if he was 19 or older when he first signed a pro contract and this is the third Rule 5 draft since he signed.

Also, keep in mind that any player on the 60 day DL will have to be placed back on the 40 man roster at the close of the season. So while we've made room for others during the season, those be kept will have to find a 40 man shortly after the end of the season.

[redsfandan]

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[camisadelgolf]

Gone:
Ramon Hernandez (buyout)
Danny Richar (has already been DFAed once)
Alex Gonzalez (buyout)
Laynce Nix (not offered arbitration due to the young outfielders in AAA)
Jonny Gomes (see: Laynce Nix)
Sean Henry (not enough power to be worth a roster spot)
Dallas Buck (can't stay healthy)
Bill Bray (can't stay healthy and out of options)
Mike Lincoln (will be DFAed eventually)
Ben Jukich (one-trick pony that won't translate to ML success)
Alex Smit (probably a future LOOGY at best)
Enerio Del Rosario (a pitch-to-contact reliever isn't much of a commodity)
Phil Valiquette (too wild to be effective)

That would leave a 40-man roster of (new additions in bold):
(19)
C Ryan Hanigan
C Wilkin Castillo
C Craig Tatum
1B Joey Votto
1B Yonder Alonso
2B Brandon Phillips
2B Drew Sutton
3B Scott Rolen
3B Adam Rosales
3B Juan Francisco
SS Paul Janish
SS Chris Valaika
LF Wladimir Balentien
LF Danny Dorn
CF Chris Dickerson
CF Willy Taveras
CF Chris Heisey
CF Drew Stubbs
RF Jay Bruce

(12)
SP Edinson Volquez
SP Aaron Harang
SP Johnny Cueto
SP Bronson Arroyo
SP Homer Bailey
SP Micah Owings
SP Ramon Ramirez
SP Sam LeCure
SP Matt Maloney
SP Daryl Thompson
SP Jordan Smith
SP Travis Wood

(9)
RP Francisco Cordero
RP Arthur Rhodes
RP David Weathers
RP Nick Masset
RP Jared Burton
RP Carlos Fisher
RP Daniel Ray Herrera
RP Sean Watson
RP Pedro Viola

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Gone:
Ramon Hernandez (buyout)
Danny Richar (has already been DFAed once)
Alex Gonzalez (buyout)
Laynce Nix (not offered arbitration due to the young outfielders in AAA)
Jonny Gomes (see: Laynce Nix)
Sean Henry (not enough power to be worth a roster spot)
Dallas Buck (can't stay healthy)
Bill Bray (can't stay healthy and out of options)
Mike Lincoln (will be DFAed eventually)
Ben Jukich (one-trick pony that won't translate to ML success)
Alex Smit (probably a future LOOGY at best)
Enerio Del Rosario (a pitch-to-contact reliever isn't much of a commodity)
Phil Valiquette (too wild to be effective)

That would leave a 40-man roster of (new additions in bold):
(19)
C Ryan Hanigan
C Wilkin Castillo
C Craig Tatum
1B Joey Votto
1B Yonder Alonso
2B Brandon Phillips
2B Drew Sutton
3B Scott Rolen
3B Adam Rosales
3B Juan Francisco
SS Paul Janish
SS Chris Valaika
LF Wladimir Balentien
LF Danny Dorn
CF Chris Dickerson
CF Willy Taveras
CF Chris Heisey
CF Drew Stubbs
RF Jay Bruce

(12)
SP Edinson Volquez
SP Aaron Harang
SP Johnny Cueto
SP Bronson Arroyo
SP Homer Bailey
SP Micah Owings
SP Ramon Ramirez
SP Sam LeCure
SP Matt Maloney
SP Daryl Thompson
SP Jordan Smith
SP Travis Wood

(9)
RP Francisco Cordero
RP Arthur Rhodes
RP David Weathers
RP Nick Masset
RP Jared Burton
RP Carlos Fisher
RP Daniel Ray Herrera
RP Sean Watson
RP Pedro Viola

Interesting assessment. The only guy in bold that you listed that I would have any problem adding to the 40 man is Watson, I just don't believe in the kid and I'm not sure he's even gotten any of his others pitches up to par yet. Pretty good additions.

That said the rest of the 40 is where I would change some things around. #1 I'd have a conversation with Ramon Hernandez (after I bought him out) about coming back as Hanigans back up at a much reduced price to last season. Although that has little to do with the 40 as I wouldn't sign him until after the rule 5 draft. But I would have to in essence save a spot for him and a few others. I think there is a lot of work to be done on the 40 this offseason, a lot. But I would have Bill Bray on my 40 man regardless he can stay healthy he did all of '08 and put up great numbers and his arm was (and probably still will be) too good to just throw away. Even if you don't think he's a long term keeper he can be a good trade chip.

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Interesting assessment. The only guy in bold that you listed that I would have any problem adding to the 40 man is Watson, I just don't believe in the kid and I'm not sure he's even gotten any of his others pitches up to par yet. Pretty good additions.

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Watson has too much ability to let him walk.

I'd be suprised if he isn't protected.

I wonder if Wilkin Castillo and Ramon Ramirez will be protected, among those on the projected list. Darryl Thompson could be a question mark with his health problems. And the Reds may deal Maloney, they don't seem to want him in the big leagues, I don't know what kind of future he has with the club.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Watson has too much ability to let him walk.

I'd be suprised if he isn't protected.

At the same time, I would be surprised if he were to be drafted if left unprotected. At the same time, there is no way the Reds don't protect a lefty that throws 95 MPH in Valiquette. He will be protected short of an arm injury between now and the end of the year.

[GOYA]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

Hadn't really been paying that much attention, but Jeff Kennard is scoreless over his last 10 appearances, 16.2 with 22 K's. Might end up mattering to the question of this thread.

The streak is longer than that. It's over 23 innings.

I would not protect Valiquette. I might protect Jukich unless he falters at the end of this season. I would also protect Ondrusek.

[HokieRed]

Originally Posted by GOYA

The streak is longer than that. It's over 23 innings.

I would not protect Valiquette. I might protect Jukich unless he falters at the end of this season. I would also protect Ondrusek.

Streak was 16.2 over his last ten outings when I posted. I would protect Valiquette if possible; I would protect him over Castillo and Valaika for sure and perhaps before others.

[gedred69]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Gone:
Ramon Hernandez (buyout)
Danny Richar (has already been DFAed once)
Alex Gonzalez (buyout)
Laynce Nix (not offered arbitration due to the young outfielders in AAA)
Jonny Gomes (see: Laynce Nix)
Sean Henry (not enough power to be worth a roster spot)
Dallas Buck (can't stay healthy)
Bill Bray (can't stay healthy and out of options)
Mike Lincoln (will be DFAed eventually)
Ben Jukich (one-trick pony that won't translate to ML success)
Alex Smit (probably a future LOOGY at best)
Enerio Del Rosario (a pitch-to-contact reliever isn't much of a commodity)
Phil Valiquette (too wild to be effective)

That would leave a 40-man roster of (new additions in bold):
(19)
C Ryan Hanigan
C Wilkin Castillo
C Craig Tatum
1B Joey Votto
1B Yonder Alonso
2B Brandon Phillips
2B Drew Sutton
3B Scott Rolen
3B Adam Rosales
3B Juan Francisco
SS Paul Janish
SS Chris Valaika
LF Wladimir Balentien
LF Danny Dorn
CF Chris Dickerson
CF Willy Taveras
CF Chris Heisey
CF Drew Stubbs
RF Jay Bruce

(12)
SP Edinson Volquez
SP Aaron Harang
SP Johnny Cueto
SP Bronson Arroyo
SP Homer Bailey
SP Micah Owings
SP Ramon Ramirez
SP Sam LeCure
SP Matt Maloney
SP Daryl Thompson
SP Jordan Smith
SP Travis Wood

(9)
RP Francisco Cordero
RP Arthur Rhodes
RP David Weathers
RP Nick Masset
RP Jared Burton
RP Carlos Fisher
RP Daniel Ray Herrera
RP Sean Watson
RP Pedro Viola

This list makes a lot of sense. Sorry to agree on Bray, many in baseball saw him as one of the best up and coming LH relievers, but he hasn't been healthy. Agree on Smith, but his inability to stay healthy has to be a concern. I just wonder though, how a Dorn/Gomes platoon in LF might do. It should reach 40+ HRs for sure.

[lollipopcurve]

Daryl Thompson should not be protected. His arm is shot. I don't think Jordan Smith is healthy either.