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Old 09-10-2009, 02:38 AM   #1
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Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds History

Kudos to GoGoWhiteSox over on Sundeck for linking this.

MLB.com is asking fans to select the top single season performances for each team by position. Clink the link below to vote:

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/fan_f...x.jsp?c_id=cin

What was your selections?

Mine were:

1B Ted Kluszewski - 1954
2B Joe Morgan - 1976
SS Barry Larkin - 1996
3B Tony Perez - 1970
OF George Foster - 1977
OF Eric Davis - 1987
OF Frank Robinson - 1962
C Johnny Bench - 1970
P - Red Lucas - 1930
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Old 09-10-2009, 02:54 AM   #2
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

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Kudos to GoGoWhiteSox over on Sundeck for linking this.

MLB.com is asking fans to select the top single season performances for each team by position. Clink the link below to vote:

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/fan_f...x.jsp?c_id=cin

What was your selections?

Mine were:

1B Ted Kluszewski - 1954
2B Joe Morgan - 1976
SS Barry Larkin - 1996
3B Tony Perez - 1970
OF George Foster - 1977
OF Eric Davis - 1987
OF Frank Robinson - 1962
C Johnny Bench - 1970
P - Red Lucas - 1930
Pretty much the same, but I went with Bucky Walters in 1939 as my pitcher knowing all along that his pitching was MVP caliber. Also, I didn't take the time to adjust for ERA, but Sam Crawford's 1901 season may have been better than any of the OF we chose.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:57 AM   #3
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

Dolph Luque, 1923 on the mound for me... and Cy Seymour vintage 1904 has to be in the outfield somewhere.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:18 AM   #4
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

Well, if defense counts for anything, Heine Groh's 1919 season or Pete Rose's 1976 might give Tony Perez a little run for his money.

As good as he was with the bat that year, Doggie was what we in Latin America call a "spy" (for the other team) in the field.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:55 AM   #5
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

Lineup
LF Pete Rose, 1969
SS Barry Larkin, 1995
2B Joe Morgan, 1975
RF Frank Robinson, 1962
C Johnny Bench, 1972
1B Ted Kluszewski, 1954
CF Cy Seymour, 1905
3B Heinie Groh, 1917

Rotation
SP Bucky Walters, 1939
SP Dolf Luque, 1923
SP Ewell Blackwell, 1947
SP Noodles Hahn, 1902

Bench
C Ernie Lombardi, 1938
IF Tony Perez, 1970
IF Bid McPhee, 1892
OF Edd Roush, 1919
OF Eric Davis, 1987
OF George Foster, 1977

Bullpen
SP Paul Derringer, 1939
SP Jim Maloney, 1965
SP Jose Rijo, 1993
RP Clay Carroll, 1970
RP Rob Dibble, 1990
RP John Franco, 1988
RP Danny Graves, 2000
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:34 AM   #6
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

No Cy Seymour??

Can't do it without him

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RUNS CREATED/GAME             YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Joe Morgan               1976     7.10    11.38     4.28   
2    Cy Seymour               1905     6.73    11.49     4.76   
3    Joe Morgan               1975     6.61    11.14     4.53   
4    Kevin Mitchell           1994     5.45    10.61     5.16   
5    Frank Robinson           1962     5.19    10.03     4.84   
6    Mike Donlin              1903     5.09    10.40     5.31   
7    Ted Kluszewski           1954     4.74     9.87     5.12   
8    Eric Davis               1987     4.55     9.57     5.01   
9    Frank Robinson           1961     4.39     9.32     4.93   
10   Joe Morgan               1974     4.36     8.79     4.43
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:11 PM   #7
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

How in the <masked profanity> did Deion Sanders make the list? I refuse to vote in any poll where his name is listed among the hallowed legends of Reds history.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:06 PM   #8
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

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Well, if defense counts for anything, Heine Groh's 1919 season or Pete Rose's 1976 might give Tony Perez a little run for his money.

As good as he was with the bat that year, Doggie was what we in Latin America call a "spy" (for the other team) in the field.
What would Adam Dunn have been called? Desaparecidos?
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:36 PM   #9
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

Some forgotten seasons:

Bernie Carbo's rookie season in 1970, with an OBA over .450 and a OPS above 1.000 rates a bench/PH/DH in WS spot.

Jim Maloney's 1963 season was his best.

Danny Jackson's 1988 season has to be included somehwere.

For releivers, Doug Bairs 1978 season of 1.97 ERA and 28 saves, Ted Abernathy's 1967 season of 1.27 ERA, 28 saves and 106 innings, Brantley's 1996 season of 2.41, 44 saves, and Jeff Shaw's 1997 season of 2.38, 42 saves merit consideration. How About Norm Charlton's 1990 season as a swing man?
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Old 09-12-2009, 01:30 PM   #10
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

C-Johnny Bench 1970
1B-Ted Kluzweski 1954
2b Joe Morgan
SS Barry Larkin 1996
3B Tony Perez 1970
OF George Foster 1977
Frank Robinson 1962
Cy Seymour 1904

Didn't Seymour play in the dead-ball era? That may have had a impact on his numbers.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:37 AM   #11
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Re: Cincinnati Reds All-Time Nine: The Best Single Season Performances in Reds Histor

Griffey, Davis need help for All-Time 9
Sluggers facing stiff competition to crack Reds outfield

By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

09/16/09 12:15 AM ET

CINCINNATI -- It's an opportunity to fill out the ultimate Reds lineup card.

Eric Davis in an outfield with Frank Robinson and Pete Rose? It's possible.

More than 2.6 million votes have been cast since the Sept. 9, 2009, debut of the "All-Time 9s," a platform for fans to debate the greatest single-season performances for all 30 Major League franchises.

Running through Sept. 23, the voting marks the start of the MLB.com/Lineup Card campaign, a gathering place for the posting and never-ending discussion of the greatest past and present lineups.

Here's a look at how the Reds' closest races are shaping up:

Although specific vote totals were not revealed by MLB.com, Davis and Ken Griffey Jr. are currently on the outside looking in for the starting outfield. They have work to do to crack the George Foster, Rose and Robinson trio.

At second base, current Reds cleanup hitter Brandon Phillips is running a distant second to Hall of Famer Joe Morgan. At shortstop, Barry Larkin has a comfortable lead over Davey Concepcion.

And for starting pitcher, which accounts for only hitting statistics, Don Newcombe is leading Red Lucas and Bucky Walters. Newcombe has the lead by 2,500 votes.

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And for starting pitcher, which accounts for only hitting statistics, Don Newcombe is leading Red Lucas and Bucky Walters. Newcombe has the lead by 2,500 votes.
Hey, let's make the vote worthless, let's make the pitchers ranked by their hitting ability.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:33 AM   #13
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Hey, let's make the vote worthless, let's make the pitchers ranked by their hitting ability.
That's the same thought I had too.

I mean, if we're ranking pitchers by hitting ability, then we might as well just put Micah Owings 2009 season up on the ballot.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:45 AM   #14
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For me, E Davis 1987 easily tops Rose and Foster in the OF.

Davis was an impact glove in the OF that could change games. Davis and Foster were not. Davis best OPS (991) was similiar to Pete's (940). Granted, Rose had him on OBP, but there's no comparison to me. Davis is clearly the better player if you are just judging based on one season.

Same for Foster (1.013 OPS). Davis' glove is better, and clearly makes him the better player.

I don't know enough about Robinson to comment on him vs Davis.

If we were allowed to consider Jr's years in Seattle, he easily makes it too. But his peak year in Cincy? no.
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That's the same thought I had too.

I mean, if we're ranking pitchers by hitting ability, then we might as well just put Micah Owings 2009 season up on the ballot.
The top pinch hitter would carry more weight or be more interesting than the top hitting pitcher.
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