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dougdirt · 11-16-2009, 04:38 PM

Prospect #1 - Yonder Alonso
Prospect #2 - Mike Leake
Prospect #3 - Todd Frazier
Prospect #4 - Juan Francisco
Prospect #5 - Yorman Rodriguez
Prospect #6 - Travis Wood
Prospect #7 - Chris Heisey
Prospect #8 - Zack Cozart
Prospect #9 - Brad Boxberger
Prospect #10 - Neftali Soto
Prospect #11 - Matt Maloney

*BaseClogger* · 11-16-2009, 07:52 PM

It's Matt Klinker's time now...

mth123 · 11-16-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

It's Matt Klinker's time now...

Agreed, He rose through the system in 2009 and would seem to be in line as a rotation alternate at AAA in 2010.

mdccclxix · 11-16-2009, 11:20 PM

I took Klinker as well, not in the 'mood' for the Billy Hamilton types right now. I'm pretty excited about Hamilton, but I look at him like Duran and YRod and Soto, so young.

They belong on the list somewhere, I'm not sure. Still haven't done my top 40 so we'll see. I have a feeling I'll bias the youngins pretty hard, around the 20's.

I ask myself, "if I have to build an organization from scratch, who do I take that can help within 3 years?" Kind of arbitrary, but keeps me sane.

I'd like to submit Eziquiel Infante for the next round, pretty heady stuff so far...

RedsManRick · 11-17-2009, 12:24 AM

I just have a hard time ranking guys like Hamilton above a guy like Dorn, who is admittedly flawed but who has done nothing but rake. Maybe I just don't know enough about Hamilton, but it seems like there are always those stellar athletes who can do every... except hit the ball consistently. I'd like a position player to show me that before I buy in to the hype.

Mario-Rijo · 11-17-2009, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

I just have a hard time ranking guys like Hamilton above a guy like Dorn, who is admittedly flawed but who has done nothing but rake. Maybe I just don't know enough about Hamilton, but it seems like there are always those stellar athletes who can do every... except hit the ball consistently. I'd like a position player to show me that before I buy in to the hype.

I agree, I could possibly be swayed on a pitcher here but until then my votes will go to Valaika who had a lost year but in my eyes is still a potentially solid starting 2B.

If someone wants to try to convince me there is a legit #3 or better starter relatively close to the majors I'll listen. I ask because some of these arms I am just not up on. They are way too tough for me to gauge unless I have a scouting report and I don't have enough info on guys like Klinker, Jordan Smith, Jeremy Horst, Ondrusek, Del Rosario, LeCure.

dougdirt · 11-17-2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

I agree, I could possibly be swayed on a pitcher here but until then my votes will go to Valaika who had a lost year but in my eyes is still a potentially solid starting 2B.

If someone wants to try to convince me there is a legit #3 or better starter relatively close to the majors I'll listen. I ask because some of these arms I am just not up on. They are way too tough for me to gauge unless I have a scouting report and I don't have enough info on guys like Klinker, Jordan Smith, Jeremy Horst, Ondrusek, Del Rosario, LeCure.

Matt Klinker has stuff to be a #3 pitcher. Above average curveball, 90-94 MPH fastball, solid change up. Has shown good control overall.

lollipopcurve · 11-17-2009, 09:39 AM

Valaika

texasdave · 11-17-2009, 05:09 PM

Donnie Joseph will be in a Reds uni this summer. 'Nuf said.

Mario-Rijo · 11-17-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Matt Klinker has stuff to be a #3 pitcher. Above average curveball, 90-94 MPH fastball, solid change up. Has shown good control overall.

Seems to have most if not all his problems vs. LH's, must need another pitch or improve that change up. If he can improve on that he looks solid.

REDblooded · 11-17-2009, 06:49 PM

I've finally hit a point where I've flip-flopped... Voted Hamilton last round, but took Valaika this round. Either way, those will probably be the next two guys off the board.

GOYA · 11-17-2009, 07:25 PM

For the folks voting Valaika, what position do you see him playing?

REDblooded · 11-17-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GOYA

For the folks voting Valaika, what position do you see him playing?

Can't really see him playing SS, so that hurts him a bit... 2b is a possibility, but then he's blocked by Phillips and probably Frazier too... That being said... I'm probably pulling for Valaika to erupt with the bat early, and see if you can't swing him in a deal to a team needing a young 2bman and having catcher, lhp, or SS depth...

thorn · 11-17-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GOYA

For the folks voting Valaika, what position do you see him playing?

Just because he's blocked doesn't mean he's not a solid prospect, IMO. So the next question, for those of you who took Hamilton, what year do you see him playing?

Will M · 11-17-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

I just have a hard time ranking guys like Hamilton above a guy like Dorn, who is admittedly flawed but who has done nothing but rake. Maybe I just don't know enough about Hamilton, but it seems like there are always those stellar athletes who can do every... except hit the ball consistently. I'd like a position player to show me that before I buy in to the hype.

i have a hard time ranking anyone who hasn't played at AA (or at least done very well in high A). predicting a guy like Dorn's success or lack thereof in the bigs is a lot easier than guys like Hamilton. Hamilton is just so far away from the bigs that there are too many variables to make a scientific prediction

View Poll Results: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect
Danny Dorn	9	10.34%
Juan Duran	4	4.60%
Matt Fairel	0	0%
Josh Fellhauer	2	2.30%
Billy Hamilton	27	31.03%
Donnie Joseph	1	1.15%
Matt Klinker	10	11.49%
Sam Lecure	1	1.15%
Devin Mesoraco	4	4.60%
Logan Ondrusek	2	2.30%
Miguel Rojas	1	1.15%
Mark Serrano	0	0%
Juan Silva	3	3.45%
Jordan Smith	0	0%
Juan Carlos Sulbaran	3	3.45%
Chris Valaika	20	22.99%
Other - Name Him	0	0%
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11-16-2009, 04:38 PM	#1
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,727	Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? Prospect #1 - Yonder Alonso Prospect #2 - Mike Leake Prospect #3 - Todd Frazier Prospect #4 - Juan Francisco Prospect #5 - Yorman Rodriguez Prospect #6 - Travis Wood Prospect #7 - Chris Heisey Prospect #8 - Zack Cozart Prospect #9 - Brad Boxberger Prospect #10 - Neftali Soto Prospect #11 - Matt Maloney __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

11-16-2009, 07:52 PM	#2
BaseClogger WOOOOO!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 6,077	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? It's Matt Klinker's time now... __________________ "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

11-16-2009, 11:20 PM	#4
mdccclxix Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,659	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? I took Klinker as well, not in the 'mood' for the Billy Hamilton types right now. I'm pretty excited about Hamilton, but I look at him like Duran and YRod and Soto, so young. They belong on the list somewhere, I'm not sure. Still haven't done my top 40 so we'll see. I have a feeling I'll bias the youngins pretty hard, around the 20's. I ask myself, "if I have to build an organization from scratch, who do I take that can help within 3 years?" Kind of arbitrary, but keeps me sane. I'd like to submit Eziquiel Infante for the next round, pretty heady stuff so far...

11-17-2009, 12:24 AM	#5
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? I just have a hard time ranking guys like Hamilton above a guy like Dorn, who is admittedly flawed but who has done nothing but rake. Maybe I just don't know enough about Hamilton, but it seems like there are always those stellar athletes who can do every... except hit the ball consistently. I'd like a position player to show me that before I buy in to the hype. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

11-17-2009, 09:39 AM	#8
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,482	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? Valaika __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

11-17-2009, 05:09 PM	#9
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,554	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? Donnie Joseph will be in a Reds uni this summer. 'Nuf said.

11-17-2009, 06:49 PM	#11
REDblooded Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,126	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? I've finally hit a point where I've flip-flopped... Voted Hamilton last round, but took Valaika this round. Either way, those will probably be the next two guys off the board. __________________ 2010 Mock Draft Selections (picking for Rays) Bryce Brentz Brandon Workman Kris Bryant Matt Lipka Rick Hague

11-17-2009, 07:25 PM	#12
GOYA Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 5,143	Re: Who is Redszone's #12 prospect? For the folks voting Valaika, what position do you see him playing?