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kaldaniels · 01-10-2010, 08:21 PM

Why don't the Yanks/Sox throw 50 million at this guy? I just don't understand the lack of interest from the big spending clubs.

What a great move though.

IslandRed · 01-10-2010, 08:21 PM

I can't be the only one who first saw this news on another site and immediately assumed the headline writer had misspelled "Red Sox."

Otherwise, general agreement with the chorus... I like the way the deal was structured/backloaded/deferred so that it probably won't force any other immediate moves to make room for it. Or maybe Walt was playing a little possum with the "we have no money" thing. Whichever. Don't care at the moment.

corkedbat · 01-10-2010, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paintmered

Premature marketing tag-line for 2010: The Latin invasion.

Premature marketing tag-line II for 2010: The Losing Stops Now! We Mean It This Tme! Really!

RedLegSuperStar · 01-10-2010, 08:24 PM

when is the Presser?

corkedbat · 01-10-2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Why don't the Yanks/Sox throw 50 million at this guy? I just don't understand the lack of interest from the big spending clubs.

What a great move though.

They still might.

Hold the Presser already!

OnBaseMachine · 01-10-2010, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jpup

So that you guys know, the media will be panning this move now that the Reds have made it. Jerry Crasnick is already talking about how much of a big risk it is.

Yep. If someone like the Cubs or Yankees or Red Sox had signed Chapman it would have been a great deal, but as soon as the Reds sign him it's very risky and/or dumb. I don't care what team it is or how small their payroll is, if you have a chance to sign a premium talent like Aroldis Chapman for the price they did, you do it.

OnBaseMachine · 01-10-2010, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar

when is the Presser?

Tomorrow, not sure what time though.

Handofdeath · 01-10-2010, 08:29 PM

Once more Walt Jocketty has proven why he's one of the best GM's in the business.

RedLegSuperStar · 01-10-2010, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Tomorrow, not sure what time though.

should be around noonish i'd think.. DVR here I come

BCubb2003 · 01-10-2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corkedbat

Premature marketing tag-line II for 2010: The Losing Stops Now! We Mean It This Tme! Really!

The Year We Make Contact?

TheBurn · 01-10-2010, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nate

How to pronounce "Aroldis?"

Try saying "ARE ALL THESE" in a Spanish accent.
Kinda like "ARRE ALL DEES" (stress on the "ALL")... and you should have it.

-edit: maybe even "AT ALL DEES"

RedLegSuperStar · 01-10-2010, 08:35 PM

So who potentially gets DFA'd?

My group: Sam LeCure, Jordan Smith, or Drew Sutton

OnBaseMachine · 01-10-2010, 08:38 PM

Here's a little piece on Chapman from Fangraphs after he defected back in July.

Aroldis Chapman Reportedly Defects
by Dave Cameron - July 2, 2009 - Share this Article

Heading up to the draft, one of the main topics of conversation was how much Stephen Strasburg was worth, and how much he’d eventually sign for. Rumors of a $50 million bonus demand were floated, while the consensus seemed to be that he’ll sign for $15 to $20 million, because he lacks the leverage to negotiate with teams besides the Washington Nationals. The big “what if” question was how much a prospect like Strasburg would get if he was a free agent.

We might find out sooner than later, because Aroldis Chapman has reportedly defected from Cuba. R.J. wrote about his WBC start here, where Chapman showed off a legitimate power fastball from the left side. In their scouting report of the top 10 WBC prospects, Baseball America got the following quote from a scout:

“If you are looking for more than that in a pitcher, you’ll be searching your whole life,” an AL scout said. “He was so much fun to watch. If he’s 21 like he’s listed, the sky’s the limit. You’ve got honestly just one or two tweaks that could be made but he could go straight to the top of a big league rotation.”

Unlike with Strasburg, or even Japanese sensation Yu Darvish, Chapman has to be evaluated on his physical tools rather than his performance, but those tools are plenty exciting. It isn’t every day that a 21-year-old LHP with a mid-90s fastball becomes available for all 30 teams to bid on.

Let’s just hope, for the good of baseball, that he doesn’t end up with the Red Sox or Yankees.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...rtedly-defects

D-Man · 01-10-2010, 08:41 PM

The skeptic in me is tempered by the prospects of a 21-year-old kid throwing 102. . . More often than not, guys throwing 100 at age 21 end up throwing 85 by age 25. He still has the injury gauntlet to overcome too, and the total cost of his contract is ~60 percent greater than Strasburg's (a hard-thrower with considerably more polish).

Nevertheless, I'm giddy. This is the perfect move for this club, given its lack of top-shelf talent and where it resides in the contention cycle.

OnBaseMachine · 01-10-2010, 08:42 PM

BTW, Jeff Passan is one of the best in the business. He did a excellent job of nailing this story. Kudos to Jeff. I enjoy reading his material.

01-10-2010, 08:21 PM	#286
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,409	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont Why don't the Yanks/Sox throw 50 million at this guy? I just don't understand the lack of interest from the big spending clubs. What a great move though.

01-10-2010, 08:21 PM	#287
IslandRed Charlie Brown All-Star Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Posts: 4,681	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont I can't be the only one who first saw this news on another site and immediately assumed the headline writer had misspelled "Red Sox." Otherwise, general agreement with the chorus... I like the way the deal was structured/backloaded/deferred so that it probably won't force any other immediate moves to make room for it. Or maybe Walt was playing a little possum with the "we have no money" thing. Whichever. Don't care at the moment. __________________ "I don't have a baseball team, I have a theological seminary." -- Charlie Brown

01-10-2010, 08:24 PM	#289
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont when is the Presser? __________________ "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans 2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L 2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L 2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L 2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

01-10-2010, 08:29 PM	#293
Handofdeath Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 1,361	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont Once more Walt Jocketty has proven why he's one of the best GM's in the business.

01-10-2010, 08:35 PM	#297
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont So who potentially gets DFA'd? My group: Sam LeCure, Jordan Smith, or Drew Sutton __________________ "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans 2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L 2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L 2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L 2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

01-10-2010, 08:38 PM	#298
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,692	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont Here's a little piece on Chapman from Fangraphs after he defected back in July. Aroldis Chapman Reportedly Defects by Dave Cameron - July 2, 2009 - Share this Article Heading up to the draft, one of the main topics of conversation was how much Stephen Strasburg was worth, and how much he’d eventually sign for. Rumors of a $50 million bonus demand were floated, while the consensus seemed to be that he’ll sign for $15 to $20 million, because he lacks the leverage to negotiate with teams besides the Washington Nationals. The big “what if” question was how much a prospect like Strasburg would get if he was a free agent. We might find out sooner than later, because Aroldis Chapman has reportedly defected from Cuba. R.J. wrote about his WBC start here, where Chapman showed off a legitimate power fastball from the left side. In their scouting report of the top 10 WBC prospects, Baseball America got the following quote from a scout: “If you are looking for more than that in a pitcher, you’ll be searching your whole life,” an AL scout said. “He was so much fun to watch. If he’s 21 like he’s listed, the sky’s the limit. You’ve got honestly just one or two tweaks that could be made but he could go straight to the top of a big league rotation.” Unlike with Strasburg, or even Japanese sensation Yu Darvish, Chapman has to be evaluated on his physical tools rather than his performance, but those tools are plenty exciting. It isn’t every day that a 21-year-old LHP with a mid-90s fastball becomes available for all 30 teams to bid on. Let’s just hope, for the good of baseball, that he doesn’t end up with the Red Sox or Yankees. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...rtedly-defects

01-10-2010, 08:41 PM	#299
D-Man Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 790	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont The skeptic in me is tempered by the prospects of a 21-year-old kid throwing 102. . . More often than not, guys throwing 100 at age 21 end up throwing 85 by age 25. He still has the injury gauntlet to overcome too, and the total cost of his contract is ~60 percent greater than Strasburg's (a hard-thrower with considerably more polish). Nevertheless, I'm giddy. This is the perfect move for this club, given its lack of top-shelf talent and where it resides in the contention cycle.

01-10-2010, 08:42 PM	#300
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,692	Re: Jeff Passan: Reds sign Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman to five-year, $25 million cont BTW, Jeff Passan is one of the best in the business. He did a excellent job of nailing this story. Kudos to Jeff. I enjoy reading his material.

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