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Scrap Irony · 01-31-2010, 01:30 PM

No large market team needed a SS, GAC. Not one of them.

wheels · 01-31-2010, 01:35 PM

I agree with the folks that think this is a good depth move.

He won't cost as much as Gonzo, and maybe a case can be made for him not liking the Metrodome.

We shall see. At the worst, Cabrera's negative impact should be far less destructive than Taveras.

Unless Dusty uses him as a leadoff hitter to provide some sort of "spark".

Blitz Dorsey · 01-31-2010, 02:00 PM

Here is an article on the Cabrera signing and the Reds' offseason:

http://www.threewaychili.com/

I(heart)Freel · 01-31-2010, 02:01 PM

Depth depth depth.

Were it not for this signing, we'd be clamoring for Rosales to replace Janish come mid-May.

Rosales.

Jpup · 01-31-2010, 02:02 PM

I think that Dickerson has to be your center fielder if you are planning to hit Cabrera second, Phillips 4th, and Gomes 6th. You have to have some people on base and the Reds are sorely lacking in that area. The pitching is going to have to be lights out or the Reds are back to 2009 again. Maybe Stubbs can get on base enough, hopefully.

BTW, I like this signing for the simple reason that Rosales won't be getting as much time. I hope he's the one that goes if not Taveras.

reds44 · 01-31-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jpup

I think that Dickerson has to be your center fielder if you are planning to hit Cabrera second, Phillips 4th, and Gomes 6th. You have to have some people on base and the Reds are sorely lacking in that area. The pitching is going to have to be lights out or the Reds are back to 2009 again. Maybe Stubbs can get on base enough, hopefully.

BTW, I like this signing for the simple reason that Rosales won't be getting as much time. I hope he's the one that goes if not Taveras.

I'd probably hit Dickerson/Stubbs 1-2 against RHP, and Stubbs/Rolen 1-2 against LHP. With that being said, I really doubt that happens but I also doubt that Rolen is going to bat 7th behind Gomes.

Jpup · 01-31-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by reds44

I'd probably hit Dickerson/Stubbs 1-2 against RHP, and Stubbs/Rolen 1-2 against LHP. With that being said, I really doubt that happens but I also doubt that Rolen is going to bat 7th behind Gomes.

I see what your saying, but I don't get the idea that Drew Stubbs should ever be a lead off hitter. He really didn't get on base enough in his short stint last season. He looks like an eight hole hitter to me.

11larkin11 · 01-31-2010, 02:22 PM

I don't think we'll be seeing any platoons this year.

Stubbs CF
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hanigan/Hernandez C
P

I don't think Hanigan/Hernandez necessarily count as a platoon, as they're both righties. If Stubbs struggles the first month, I can see Dickerson taking his place.

IslandRed · 01-31-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Cabrera is most likely going to be a below average major leaguer next year. The Reds probably feel like they can project his floor better than their in house options though. One just hopes that they're right but they missed pretty badly on the floors of proven guys like Taveras and Gonzo.

I think an optimistic scenario is that Cabrera can be league average over a full season. Worst case scenario really could be a Willy T or Gonzo.

Gonzalez' first season in Cincinnati was pretty decent, actually. Between injury and the family situation, they got nothing from him in years two and three, but that's just the downside of multi-year deals. Otherwise, I think you've nailed it. Cabrera's probably going to be below average but should be well above replacement level, which is something I don't necessarily believe about Janish. It'll likely make the ballclub better and the price/risk is reasonable.

RedsManRick · 01-31-2010, 02:23 PM

I think you can pretty much pencil Cabrera in to the #2 spot in the lineup. I'd put money on it if I could.

RedLegSuperStar · 01-31-2010, 02:24 PM

I can't wait till march 2nd to buy MLB 10 the show and play as these new and improved Reds

Joseph · 01-31-2010, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jpup

I see what your saying, but I don't get the idea that Drew Stubbs should ever be a lead off hitter. He really didn't get on base enough in his short stint last season. He looks like an eight hole hitter to me.

What he looks like and how he will actually be used are two different things. Dusty hit him lead off in every start last year [as far as I remember] and I see nothing in this teams make up to suggest it will be any different.

Stubbs will hit first, Cabrera second, Votto third, Phillips 4th, Rolen 5th, Bruce sixth, LF 7th and C 8th.

reds44 · 01-31-2010, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jpup

I see what your saying, but I don't get the idea that Drew Stubbs should ever be a lead off hitter. He really didn't get on base enough in his short stint last season. He looks like an eight hole hitter to me.

I don't think last year was really who Drew Stubbs will end up being as a hitter. His minor league career he had almost an .100 BA/OB split, and in his short stint in Cincy last year it was only it was only .056. I think this year his walks will increase while his power numbers decrease. Even last year his .323 OBP is right on par with OC's career .322 OBP.

reds44 · 01-31-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph

What he looks like and how he will actually be used are two different things. Dusty hit him lead off in every start last year [as far as I remember] and I see nothing in this teams make up to suggest it will be any different.

Stubbs will hit first, Cabrera second, Votto third, Phillips 4th, Rolen 5th, Bruce sixth, LF 7th and C 8th.

I think teh Dusty will bat Bruce 5th and Rolen 6th so he's not batting Bruce/Dickerson(Nix) back to back.

Ron Madden · 01-31-2010, 02:56 PM

I wonder why there has been no official announcement from the Reds yet.

01-31-2010, 01:30 PM	#91
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year No large market team needed a SS, GAC. Not one of them. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

01-31-2010, 01:35 PM	#92
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,581	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year I agree with the folks that think this is a good depth move. He won't cost as much as Gonzo, and maybe a case can be made for him not liking the Metrodome. We shall see. At the worst, Cabrera's negative impact should be far less destructive than Taveras. Unless Dusty uses him as a leadoff hitter to provide some sort of "spark". __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

01-31-2010, 02:00 PM	#93
Blitz Dorsey Party like it's 1990 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,474	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year Here is an article on the Cabrera signing and the Reds' offseason: http://www.threewaychili.com/

01-31-2010, 02:01 PM	#94
I(heart)Freel Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Side (No Diggity) Posts: 1,012	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year Depth depth depth. Were it not for this signing, we'd be clamoring for Rosales to replace Janish come mid-May. Rosales. __________________ I have a love-hate relationship with Albert Pujols. Mostly hate.

01-31-2010, 02:02 PM	#95
Jpup Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern KY Posts: 6,967	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year I think that Dickerson has to be your center fielder if you are planning to hit Cabrera second, Phillips 4th, and Gomes 6th. You have to have some people on base and the Reds are sorely lacking in that area. The pitching is going to have to be lights out or the Reds are back to 2009 again. Maybe Stubbs can get on base enough, hopefully. BTW, I like this signing for the simple reason that Rosales won't be getting as much time. I hope he's the one that goes if not Taveras. __________________ "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

01-31-2010, 02:22 PM	#98
11larkin11 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bellefontaine,OH Posts: 2,296	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year I don't think we'll be seeing any platoons this year. Stubbs CF Cabrera SS Votto 1B Phillips 2B Rolen 3B Bruce RF Gomes LF Hanigan/Hernandez C P I don't think Hanigan/Hernandez necessarily count as a platoon, as they're both righties. If Stubbs struggles the first month, I can see Dickerson taking his place. __________________ Domo Arigato, Here Comes Joey Votto ---TRF "I do what I want to do and say what I want to say." --Bronson Arroyo

01-31-2010, 02:23 PM	#100
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,987	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year I think you can pretty much pencil Cabrera in to the #2 spot in the lineup. I'd put money on it if I could. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

01-31-2010, 02:24 PM	#101
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year I can't wait till march 2nd to buy MLB 10 the show and play as these new and improved Reds __________________ "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans 2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L 2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L 2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L 2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

01-31-2010, 02:56 PM	#105
Ron Madden Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,815	Re: Reds sign Orlando Cabrera to one-year, $3M deal; option for second year I wonder why there has been no official announcement from the Reds yet.

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