Heisey for Marmol? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Mario-Rijo · 07-03-2010, 05:49 PM

Put this in another thread but figured it would reach more folks this way. Thanks to the guys on the Sundeck for this nugget. Seems like this might have some legs IMO.

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They also want either Boxberger or Donnie Joseph, read the story.

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MLB Trade Rumors: Carlos Marmol To Cincinnati Reds for Chris Heisey
by Illya Harrell
Written on July 03, 2010

By Sunday evening, the Chicago Cubs will have a new outfielder, Chris Heisey, and the Cincinnati Reds will have a new relief pitcher, Carlos Marmol.

You heard it here first.

Sources are saying that, "Walt Jocketty and Jim Hendry are in serious discussions over a trade involving Chris Heisey and Carlos Marmol."

fearofpopvol1 · 07-03-2010, 05:51 PM

Heisey + Boxberger/Joseph for Marmol?

Yeah, no thanks. And I like Marmol a lot. I'd send them Heisey and Cordero for Marmol however.

Ron Madden · 07-03-2010, 05:52 PM

I hope this isn't true.

I wouldn't trade Heisey for Marmol straight up.

Degenerate39 · 07-03-2010, 05:54 PM

SO is this offical or just a rumor? I really would hate to lose Hiesey

HeatherC1212 · 07-03-2010, 05:56 PM

No thanks to this one and I hope it's just a rumor.

Homer Bailey · 07-03-2010, 05:57 PM

Marmol averages 5.91 BB/9 for his career.

He will drive me (and this board) insane.

Dude does miss bats though.

flyer85 · 07-03-2010, 06:03 PM

I would not. Marmol is way too unpredictable. I'd rather take my chances with Chapman.

TheNext44 · 07-03-2010, 06:07 PM

I believe Arroyo was traded a few years ago for Victorino in a similar blog. Maybe something to it, but the fact that no one else has anything on it makes it fishey.

As for the rumor, I'd trade Heisey for Marmol, no problem. But no way would I throw in Boxberger or Joseph. Those guys are one year away from being probsvly better than Marmol and are much cheaper.

I don't see it happening, at least not that way.

Mario-Rijo · 07-03-2010, 06:08 PM

Well the Reds probably view Heisey as expendable with Gary Matthews Jr in AAA. And of course it's Walts M.O. to deal these high upside arms (Stewart, Haren) for parts so I can see him parting with Joseph or Boxberger. So I fully expect to see this deal get done. I probably fall on the side of sticking with what we have rather than dealing for Marmol but if he can throw strikes he will be well worth it. I guess that is asking for alot though.

pahster · 07-03-2010, 06:17 PM

Marmol's BB/9 is very high, but his H/9 is also very low. He also struck out almost two thirds of the batters he's faced so far this year and well over two thirds of those he's faced over the course of his career. I like Heisey, but he's not exactly irreplaceable.

RedsManRick · 07-03-2010, 06:18 PM

That might explain Heisey starting today... Maybe Hendry wanted a closer look. Marmol is nervewracking as heck, but his strikeouts are ridiculous.

OnBaseMachine · 07-03-2010, 06:21 PM

I'm a big fan of Heisey but I'd consider dealing him for Marmol. But if the Reds had to include Boxberger or Joseph I would back out.

HokieRed · 07-03-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Madden

I hope this isn't true.

I wouldn't trade Heisey for Marmol straight up.

Agree. Marmol's shelf life is likely to not be anywhere near that of Heisey. I really hope we do not do this trade.

flyer85 · 07-03-2010, 06:24 PM

Marmol is walking the razors edge. The BB rate goes up just a little or the K rate drops a little and his effectiveness evaporates.

redsfandan · 07-03-2010, 06:30 PM

I can't see Marmol being moved out of closing. Cordero definitely likes to make things interesting but if they're going to trade for a reliever I'd rather it be for someone that's already a middle reliever.

07-03-2010, 05:51 PM	#2
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,625	Re: Heisey for Marmol? Heisey + Boxberger/Joseph for Marmol? Yeah, no thanks. And I like Marmol a lot. I'd send them Heisey and Cordero for Marmol however.

07-03-2010, 05:52 PM	#3
Ron Madden Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,815	Re: Heisey for Marmol? I hope this isn't true. I wouldn't trade Heisey for Marmol straight up.

07-03-2010, 05:54 PM	#4
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,847	Re: Heisey for Marmol? SO is this offical or just a rumor? I really would hate to lose Hiesey __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

07-03-2010, 05:56 PM	#5
HeatherC1212 Joey Votto Fangirl Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,513	Re: Heisey for Marmol? No thanks to this one and I hope it's just a rumor. __________________ "I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

07-03-2010, 05:57 PM	#6
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,599	Re: Heisey for Marmol? Marmol averages 5.91 BB/9 for his career. He will drive me (and this board) insane. Dude does miss bats though.

07-03-2010, 06:03 PM	#7
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Heisey for Marmol? I would not. Marmol is way too unpredictable. I'd rather take my chances with Chapman. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

07-03-2010, 06:07 PM	#8
TheNext44 Socratic Gadfly Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,224	Re: Heisey for Marmol? I believe Arroyo was traded a few years ago for Victorino in a similar blog. Maybe something to it, but the fact that no one else has anything on it makes it fishey. As for the rumor, I'd trade Heisey for Marmol, no problem. But no way would I throw in Boxberger or Joseph. Those guys are one year away from being probsvly better than Marmol and are much cheaper. I don't see it happening, at least not that way. __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

07-03-2010, 06:08 PM	#9
Mario-Rijo HOF CLASS OF '12 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 8,989	Re: Heisey for Marmol? Well the Reds probably view Heisey as expendable with Gary Matthews Jr in AAA. And of course it's Walts M.O. to deal these high upside arms (Stewart, Haren) for parts so I can see him parting with Joseph or Boxberger. So I fully expect to see this deal get done. I probably fall on the side of sticking with what we have rather than dealing for Marmol but if he can throw strikes he will be well worth it. I guess that is asking for alot though. __________________ 2008 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2009 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2010 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." --Woody Hayes

07-03-2010, 06:17 PM	#10
pahster Something clever Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,898	Re: Heisey for Marmol? Marmol's BB/9 is very high, but his H/9 is also very low. He also struck out almost two thirds of the batters he's faced so far this year and well over two thirds of those he's faced over the course of his career. I like Heisey, but he's not exactly irreplaceable.

07-03-2010, 06:18 PM	#11
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,913	Re: Heisey for Marmol? That might explain Heisey starting today... Maybe Hendry wanted a closer look. Marmol is nervewracking as heck, but his strikeouts are ridiculous. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

07-03-2010, 06:21 PM	#12
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Heisey for Marmol? I'm a big fan of Heisey but I'd consider dealing him for Marmol. But if the Reds had to include Boxberger or Joseph I would back out. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

07-03-2010, 06:24 PM	#14
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Heisey for Marmol? Marmol is walking the razors edge. The BB rate goes up just a little or the K rate drops a little and his effectiveness evaporates. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

07-03-2010, 06:30 PM	#15
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,352	Re: Heisey for Marmol? I can't see Marmol being moved out of closing. Cordero definitely likes to make things interesting but if they're going to trade for a reliever I'd rather it be for someone that's already a middle reliever. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that." Last edited by redsfandan; 07-03-2010 at 06:34 PM.

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