2010 Kentucky Wildcats Men's Basketball - 5th edition

[Scrap Irony]

Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache

I understand you may be speaking rhetorically there, but, though I can't speak for Orton, I can personally tell you there is certainly loyalty to UK from John, Demarcus and EB, and you will see that as they return many times over the years for basketball camps, public appearances, team get-togethers, etc. I do know what you mean about players in a lot of cases not caring about the rules if they are merely making a pitstop at a place they never intend on returning after their eight months there or whatever. This is why it's so important to recruit not only on talent but on character as well.

Just to piggyback on your comment, it is amazing how much Cousins and Wall seemed to love Cal and Kentucky. Both stated they wanted to stay, but couldn't afford to. While that may be lip service, they are (along with Bledsoe) special guests at some of Cal's camps over the summer. None of them had to do that and all three did. (Along with Patterson, IIRC.)

[Hoosier Red]

Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache

I understand you may be speaking rhetorically there, but, though I can't speak for Orton, I can personally tell you there is certainly loyalty to UK from John, Demarcus and EB, and you will see that as they return many times over the years for basketball camps, public appearances, team get-togethers, etc. I do know what you mean about players in a lot of cases not caring about the rules if they are merely making a pitstop at a place they never intend on returning after their eight months there or whatever. This is why it's so important to recruit not only on talent but on character as well.

Yeah I was speaking rhetorically. I don't know any of the UK player's intentions.
In the old system where a player was in college for two, three or four years, he had an economic incentive not to make himself ineligible through grades or agent dealings or anything because they would miss time and it would look bad on them before the draft.
Even if they expected to go pro, there was more uncertainty so a player wouldn't want to screw up his fall back option.
And of course as many of us have experienced, after four years of being campus you develop more of an affinity to the place.

If a player comes through Kentucky, or Indiana, or UC, or tOSU in one year and is a top draft pick, what does he care if they're put on probation after he signs his rookie contract? It's not like whatever school he attended even gave him a special opportunity to showcase his game, any school would have done it.

I'd be interested to see if University's can start putting language in the scholarship offers that if they have to say vacate wins or if the players' actions while under scholarship jeapordize the school that they can sue the player for damages?

[Scrap Irony]

Interesting idea, Hoosier. I would think, however, that high-level prospects wouldn't go to a school that puts that in their LOIs. (I'm certain that other schools would have something to say about that language.)

[WVRed]

In other news, here is Daniel Orton's recent pro debut:

1-8 from the field
1-4 FT
3 points
5 Fouls (four of which were offensive and three of which were in the Magic’s first five possessions)
4 Turnovers
2 Rebounds
1 Block
Ejected for Fighting

[Betterread]

Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache

I understand you may be speaking rhetorically there, but, though I can't speak for Orton, I can personally tell you there is certainly loyalty to UK from John, Demarcus and EB, and you will see that as they return many times over the years for basketball camps, public appearances, team get-togethers, etc. I do know what you mean about players in a lot of cases not caring about the rules if they are merely making a pitstop at a place they never intend on returning after their eight months there or whatever. This is why it's so important to recruit not only on talent but on character as well.

You're right, If loyalty= greed. They do these things because they are paid, up front. I feel sorry for KU fans. The number and intensity of your misplaced ideals is truly unique - wait, I forgot about USC fans.

[Joseph]

Originally Posted by Betterread

You're right, If loyalty= greed. They do these things because they are paid, up front. I feel sorry for KU fans. The number and intensity of your misplaced ideals is truly unique - wait, I forgot about USC fans.

Yeah, I feel sorry for Kansas fans too.

[dabvu2498]

Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache

I understand you may be speaking rhetorically there, but, though I can't speak for Orton, I can personally tell you there is certainly loyalty to UK from John, Demarcus and EB, and you will see that as they return many times over the years for basketball camps, public appearances, team get-togethers, etc. I do know what you mean about players in a lot of cases not caring about the rules if they are merely making a pitstop at a place they never intend on returning after their eight months there or whatever. This is why it's so important to recruit not only on talent but on character as well.

I hate to be cynical (well, not really), but I wonder how much of those guys' loyalty would be affected if Calipari would decide to take a job elsewhere.

I tend to thing players' loyalties tend to reside more in coaches than programs nowadays (see all the UK guys that have worked for Pitino @ UL).

[Javy Pornstache]

Originally Posted by Betterread

You're right, If loyalty= greed. They do these things because they are paid, up front. I feel sorry for KU fans. The number and intensity of your misplaced ideals is truly unique - wait, I forgot about USC fans.

Yeah. Paid up front. Okay. What was up with the dig on Cousins in that other thread, UK fan must've cut you off in traffic today.

[Javy Pornstache]

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

I hate to be cynical (well, not really), but I wonder how much of those guys' loyalty would be affected if Calipari would decide to take a job elsewhere.

I tend to thing players' loyalties tend to reside more in coaches than programs nowadays (see all the UK guys that have worked for Pitino @ UL).

You are correct, that's the case mostly. I know these guys love it there, in Lexington in particular, one wants to immediately move back with his first house... but there is definitely loyalty that's exclusive to Calipari as well.

[WVRed]

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

I hate to be cynical (well, not really), but I wonder how much of those guys' loyalty would be affected if Calipari would decide to take a job elsewhere.

I tend to thing players' loyalties tend to reside more in coaches than programs nowadays (see all the UK guys that have worked for Pitino @ UL).

Using the same logic, it will be interesting to see if Derrick Rose and/or Tyreke Evans attend any UK games while Cal is the coach.

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by WVRed

Using the same logic, it will be interesting to see if Derrick Rose and/or Tyreke Evans attend any UK games while Cal is the coach.

I would hope that Cal would disassociate himself from Rose. If he doesn't I just don't think he will ever learn his lesson.

[Scrap Irony]

IF Derrick Rose cheated. There is no proof he cheated, only that he might have cheated. (Neither the NCAA nor its clearinghouse need irrefutable proof of guilt and operate on no assumption thereof.)

[dabvu2498]

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

I would hope that Cal would disassociate himself from Rose. If he doesn't I just don't think he will ever learn his lesson.

In '09, as news of Rose's misconduct was coming out, Cal was making a big deal about going to see him play in the playoffs and that kind of thing.

Didn't hear a lot of that this spring.

Originally Posted by WVRed

Using the same logic, it will be interesting to see if Derrick Rose and/or Tyreke Evans attend any UK games while Cal is the coach.

To me, it doesn't sound like Rose was ever interested in being on a college campus in the first place.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

IF Derrick Rose cheated. There is no proof he cheated, only that he might have cheated. (Neither the NCAA nor its clearinghouse need irrefutable proof of guilt and operate on no assumption thereof.)

OJ is innocent also!

[Scrap Irony]

Instead of throwing down veiled insults, why not take part in the discussion, Cedric? Do you have anything to add that might change any minds or do you just troll?