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Old 07-12-2010, 11:26 AM   #1
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Fangraphs: What the Cincinnati Reds should do

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there are still some questions about the Reds. They have a solid +45 run differential, but their 49-40 record entering the final day of the first half was over three games better than their 45.9-43.1 3rd order mark. The Cardinals are probably a more talented team right now, but the Reds have talented pieces of their own with a promising future. Right now, however, we focus on the present.
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:47 AM   #2
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Can't argue with a single thing that article says. It is that simple. Well done.
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:55 AM   #3
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Can't argue with a single thing that article says. It is that simple. Well done.
Yeah, it's interesting. I thought the bit where they talked about O-Cab's season .278 wOBA vs. Janish's projected .295 wOBA was a real eye-opener. As I posted in another thread, O-Cab would have to OPS in the mid-.800s to finish the season at his career average. While that would be great, he's only had about three season halves > .800 OPS.

I really think the SS situation needs to be addressed during the break. Janish and O-Cab are 8-hole hitters and at the very least, Janish needs to be getting a couple-three starts a week.
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They compared OCab's projcted 313 wOBA to Janish's projected 278, IIRC. It wouldn't make any sense to compare what has already happened to what is projected in this situation.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:15 PM   #5
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I'm holding out hope that OC can have a 2nd half like he had last year, but I've fully shifted over to the Janish bandwagon as of now. I still think OC is the better option if he is going to hit .280+ like he was early in the season, but who knows what he actually still is. Regardless, he appears to need at least 2 days off per week.
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Ibut who knows what he actually still is.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:18 PM   #7
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OCab just needs to face some pin-straight fastballs from crap Pittsburgh pitchers.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:27 PM   #8
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And get a three day rest.

I'm betting he stars hitting again right after the break, but again slows down at the end of the year. He's old and needs more rest.

I'm guessing Baker rests him a bit more in the second half, playing Redszone's favored son, Roberto Pet--, I mean, Chris Den-- I mean, Brady Cl--, I mean, Chris Dic--, I mean, Paul Janish.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:32 PM   #9
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I'm guessing Baker rests him a bit more in the second half, playing Redszone's favored son, Roberto Pet--, I mean, Chris Den-- I mean, Brady Cl--, I mean, Chris Dic--, I mean, Paul Janish.
Those guys all had quite a few detractors as well so I don't know that I'd call them "Redszone's favored son".
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Re: Fangraphs: What the Cincinnati Reds should do

If you think SS is a problem, then you think LF is a problem. Both have unproven internal "solutions" where the primary value would come through improved defense.
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And get a three day rest.

I'm betting he stars hitting again right after the break, but again slows down at the end of the year. He's old and needs more rest.

I'm guessing Baker rests him a bit more in the second half, playing Redszone's favored son, Roberto Pet--, I mean, Chris Den-- I mean, Brady Cl--, I mean, Chris Dic--, I mean, Paul Janish.
I don't know anyone who is saying that Janish is a good ML SS, we're just saying that he's better than OCab.
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:05 PM   #12
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If you think SS is a problem, then you think LF is a problem. Both have unproven internal "solutions" where the primary value would come through improved defense.
Verily. I'd love a David DeJesus. Failing that, just play Heisey and Janish (more) and shore up the pitching needs.
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:15 PM   #13
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Those guys all had quite a few detractors as well so I don't know that I'd call them "Redszone's favored son".
Right.

To me, the whole "Redszone favorite: Chris Denorfia" meme is played. I found that bit to be more joke than anything.

I never quite know what to make of the "Redszone thought _______ would be good and look what happened" point. Seems very non-correlative to me.
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I never quite know what to make of the "Redszone thought _______ would be good and look what happened" point. Seems very non-correlative to me.
Agreed. RZ has lots of members. All with their own thoughts and ideas. The "RZ thinks this" or "RZ hates that" stuff never made sense to me.
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After seeing Janish get a couple of hits off Hamels yesterday and also based on his improved performance at the dish in limited AB's. I would be all for getting him some more playing time. I just don't think Dusty is going to go for that based on O Cab's veteran prescence and the intangibles he supposedly brings to the locker room and the field.
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