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ian_madden · 07-24-2010, 04:55 AM

I know that many of you are calling for the end of the world with this team:
not being in 1st place,
Bronson getting smacked around by the Nationals (Bad),
Volquez pitching under expectations on Thursday (really bad),
Our line up that day (unbelievably bad),
Wood giving up 4 runs tonight (he is human after all),
and Cairo starting at 3rd base for an extended period of time.
And of course St. Louis being the "Front runner" for Oswald.

But I really believe that if this Reds team can play .500 ball without Scott Rolen we will be OK. If anyone really thinks otherwise please tell me otherwise. We have a stretch against the Astros and the Brewers. If we can simply split this road trip, and Rolen not spend any extended period of time not playing I think we will be OK.

If you think that I am wrong please tell me otherwise.

Hondo · 07-24-2010, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ian_madden

I know that many of you are calling for the end of the world with this team:
not being in 1st place,
Bronson getting smacked around by the Nationals (Bad),
Volquez pitching under expectations on Thursday (really bad),
Our line up that day (unbelievably bad),
Wood giving up 4 runs tonight (he is human after all),
and Cairo starting at 3rd base for an extended period of time.
And of course St. Louis being the "Front runner" for Oswald.

But I really believe that if this Reds team can play .500 ball without Scott Rolen we will be OK. If anyone really thinks otherwise please tell me otherwise. We have a stretch against the Astros and the Brewers. If we can simply split this road trip, and Rolen not spend any extended period of time not playing I think we will be OK.

If you think that I am wrong please tell me otherwise.

Deffinate trouble if we dont Add a Right Handed Power Bat...

Would Love to Get an ACE Pitcher.

Greinke is available...

Magdal · 07-24-2010, 07:24 AM

Rolen is like a bonus player...when he is fit he helps the team. But the Reds will still win w/out him. Take away his stats and the Reds would STILL be the best hitting and running team in the NL.

TheBigLebowski · 07-24-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdal

Rolen is like a bonus player...when he is fit he helps the team. But the Reds will still win w/out him. Take away his stats and the Reds would STILL be the best hitting and running team in the NL.

It sounds cliche to say this, but Rolen does things you don't see in the boxscore.

Magdal · 07-24-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski

It sounds cliche to say this, but Rolen does things you don't see in the boxscore.

We all know that, Lebowski...his D is the best, his base running is super, his clutch hitting and power are way above average.

But his body is weak. To be such a big hulk he is a bit fragile.

Razzle · 07-24-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdal

We all know that, Lebowski...his D is the best, his base running is super, his clutch hitting and power are way above average.

But his body is weak. To be such a big hulk he is a bit fragile. He is paying the price for all the 'roids he did between 2003 and 2006. They all are.

Scotty has never been suspected, nor am I sure why you would suspect him. He's an injury prone player because he's a max effort guy and has thrown his body around a major league diamond for 15 years. Steroids are possible, but I wouldn't say probable in Scotty's case.

07-24-2010, 09:38 AM

without Rolen we lose a great bat to have in the lineup, without Rolen we lose a alltime great defensive 3rd baseman, without Rolen we lose leadership, without Rolen we lose offense! i do believe we can play well without him, but we would be a whole lot better with him!

TheBigLebowski · 07-24-2010, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magdal

We all know that, Lebowski...his D is the best, his base running is super, his clutch hitting and power are way above average.

But his body is weak. To be such a big hulk he is a bit fragile. He is paying the price for all the 'roids he did between 2003 and 2006. They all are.

You're accusing him of doing roids...wow. One of the worst posts I've ever read.

ian_madden · 07-24-2010, 01:16 PM

Without Scott Rolen, there is a lot of pressure on unproven players like Gomes, Hannigan, Bruce, and Stubbs. With Rolen in the lineup, they couldn't pitch around Votto, now I pitch around him and make Gomes beat me. I pitch to Bruce for sure, who will bat in the 5th spot a lot more. Without Rolen we are an average team with holes.

Gut check time.

ian_madden · 07-24-2010, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondo

Deffinate trouble if we dont Add a Right Handed Power Bat...

Would Love to Get an ACE Pitcher.

Greinke is available...

I don't think we need to trade away young talent for a rental player. I think we should stand pat and play through, unless Rolen is down for an extended period of time.

I like our young rotation next year. I don't think we need an Ace, I think he is here, just hasn't matured yet.

ian_madden · 07-24-2010, 01:25 PM

I never heard of Rolen included in the steriods mess either, but I wouldn't put it past him, he is very competitive. Steroids weren't just taken by the big, bad guys of the league, they were taken by anyone who wanted to be the best at their position. Ultra competitive guys who wanted to keep up with the curve. Doing steroids did not make you a bad person, it made you an opportunists.

RedsFanInBama · 07-24-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ian_madden

Steroids ... were taken by anyone who wanted to be the best at their position.

You really think that? I know it was widespread, but I don't think that assessment is accurate.

ian_madden · 07-24-2010, 01:52 PM

I do. Brett Boone, Aaron Boone are 2 players that I read that tested positive for steroids. One that broke my heart was Hal Morris. In his final stint with the reds he tested positive in an attempt to be competitive again. Once again, I don't think it made them bad people, just needed to keep up with everyone else.

RedsFanInBama · 07-24-2010, 01:54 PM

So what percentage would you put on it? 90%? I think most guys at the big league level have the desire to be the best.

Magdal · 07-24-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski

You're accusing him of doing roids...wow. One of the worst posts I've ever read.

You are a bit naive to think that a Tony LaRussa player is above using when the guy is passing out the needles in the locker room. The list of A's and Cards caught 'roiding is huge, and NOT just the slammers like McGuire and Edmonds...pip squeeks like Aaron Miles, Fernando Vina
and the ultimate mini-hulk Tatis. He did what he had to do to stay competitive.

07-24-2010, 04:55 AM	#1
ian_madden Reds Fan 4 life!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Covington, Ky Posts: 337	without Scott Rolen I know that many of you are calling for the end of the world with this team: not being in 1st place, Bronson getting smacked around by the Nationals (Bad), Volquez pitching under expectations on Thursday (really bad), Our line up that day (unbelievably bad), Wood giving up 4 runs tonight (he is human after all), and Cairo starting at 3rd base for an extended period of time. And of course St. Louis being the "Front runner" for Oswald. But I really believe that if this Reds team can play .500 ball without Scott Rolen we will be OK. If anyone really thinks otherwise please tell me otherwise. We have a stretch against the Astros and the Brewers. If we can simply split this road trip, and Rolen not spend any extended period of time not playing I think we will be OK. If you think that I am wrong please tell me otherwise. __________________ "Ahh, Jesus, I like him very much, but He no help with curveball." - Serrano. "Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?" - Harris in Major League (1989)

07-24-2010, 07:24 AM	#3
Magdal Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tn. Posts: 773	Re: without Scott Rolen Rolen is like a bonus player...when he is fit he helps the team. But the Reds will still win w/out him. Take away his stats and the Reds would STILL be the best hitting and running team in the NL.

07-24-2010, 09:38 AM	#7
JordanCincyFan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: without Scott Rolen without Rolen we lose a great bat to have in the lineup, without Rolen we lose a alltime great defensive 3rd baseman, without Rolen we lose leadership, without Rolen we lose offense! i do believe we can play well without him, but we would be a whole lot better with him!

07-24-2010, 01:16 PM	#9
ian_madden Reds Fan 4 life!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Covington, Ky Posts: 337	Re: without Scott Rolen Without Scott Rolen, there is a lot of pressure on unproven players like Gomes, Hannigan, Bruce, and Stubbs. With Rolen in the lineup, they couldn't pitch around Votto, now I pitch around him and make Gomes beat me. I pitch to Bruce for sure, who will bat in the 5th spot a lot more. Without Rolen we are an average team with holes. Gut check time. __________________ "Ahh, Jesus, I like him very much, but He no help with curveball." - Serrano. "Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?" - Harris in Major League (1989)

07-24-2010, 01:25 PM	#11
ian_madden Reds Fan 4 life!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Covington, Ky Posts: 337	Re: without Scott Rolen I never heard of Rolen included in the steriods mess either, but I wouldn't put it past him, he is very competitive. Steroids weren't just taken by the big, bad guys of the league, they were taken by anyone who wanted to be the best at their position. Ultra competitive guys who wanted to keep up with the curve. Doing steroids did not make you a bad person, it made you an opportunists. __________________ "Ahh, Jesus, I like him very much, but He no help with curveball." - Serrano. "Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?" - Harris in Major League (1989)

07-24-2010, 01:52 PM	#13
ian_madden Reds Fan 4 life!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Covington, Ky Posts: 337	Re: without Scott Rolen I do. Brett Boone, Aaron Boone are 2 players that I read that tested positive for steroids. One that broke my heart was Hal Morris. In his final stint with the reds he tested positive in an attempt to be competitive again. Once again, I don't think it made them bad people, just needed to keep up with everyone else. __________________ "Ahh, Jesus, I like him very much, but He no help with curveball." - Serrano. "Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?" - Harris in Major League (1989)

07-24-2010, 01:54 PM	#14
RedsFanInBama Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Umm...Bama Posts: 764	Re: without Scott Rolen So what percentage would you put on it? 90%? I think most guys at the big league level have the desire to be the best.

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