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batsfan · 08-17-2010, 05:45 PM

According to today's Bats game notes today,

Juan Francisco was activated
Chris Denove was sent to AA
Devin Mesoraco was assgined to AAA
Jason Isringhausen was put on the the DL
Jerry Gil was promoted to AAA.

The first four moves were expected, and should benefit the Bats tremendously in their quest for the division/wild card. So it is hard to complain about the Reds only using the Bats for player development, and not helping them win in a pennant race. But the Gil promotion does not help the Bats win, or help develop a player that could conceivably help the Reds.

Gil has walked 53 batters in 56 AAA innings. In his last 10 games he has walked 13 in 13.1 innings. His other peripherals are decent, and he must have had some luck, as his ERA is 4.66, but he clearly has yet to gain anything close to AA level control, and this fault makes him nowhere near being able to help the Bats, let alone the Reds in the near future. Guys like Joe Krebs and Lee Tabor - or pretty much anyone in the Carolina bullpen - would help the Bats more, and could even help the Reds soon. Could someone explain why Gil was brought up instead of Krebs?

dougdirt · 08-17-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by batsfan

According to today's Bats game notes today,

Juan Francisco was activated
Chris Denove was sent to AA
Devin Mesoraco was assgined to AAA
Jason Isringhausen was put on the the DL
Jerry Gil was promoted to AAA.

The first four moves were expected, and should benefit the Bats tremendously in their quest for the division/wild card. So it is hard to complain about the Reds only using the Bats for player development, and not helping them win in a pennant race. But the Gil promotion does not help the Bats win, or help develop a player that could conceivably help the Reds.

Gil has walked 53 batters in 56 AAA innings. In his last 10 games he has walked 13 in 13.1 innings. His other peripherals are decent, and he must have had some luck, as his ERA is 4.66, but he clearly has yet to gain anything close to AA level control, and this fault makes him nowhere near being able to help the Bats, let alone the Reds in the near future. Guys like Joe Krebs and Lee Tabor - or pretty much anyone in the Carolina bullpen - would help the Bats more, and could even help the Reds soon. Could someone explain why Gil was brought up instead of Krebs?

Maybe the Reds want Gil to work with Ted Power on something that the other guys don't need to work on.

GIDP · 08-17-2010, 05:50 PM

A lot of these moves arent always performance based.

I think a lot of the reason Mes got promoted was not because of how he has been hitting but because they wanted him to be around Power, Sweet, MLB relievers, and Corky Miller.

nemesis · 08-17-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

A lot of these moves aren't always performance based.

I think a lot of the reason Mes got promoted was not because of how he has been hitting but because they wanted him to be around Power, Sweet, MLB relievers, and Corky Miller.

+1. His bat is there. Working with Corky and calling a game with former and future ML pitchers will help him moving foward. Conceivably if he does ok for the last 2 weeks and playoffs in AAA and does well in the AFL he might be given an opportunity to make the OD roster.

mace · 08-17-2010, 06:10 PM

In the case of Gil, it could be that they wanted to see him against better competition in order to make a determination on his 40-man status at the end of the year. It doesn't seem like he'd be a strong candidate for the 40, but they might feel that they at least owe him a look.

lollipopcurve · 08-17-2010, 06:31 PM

If Gil has the kind of arm he's been reputed to have, it makes sense for the Reds to continue to challenge him and get him with more coaches, as GIDP says.

sabometrics · 08-17-2010, 06:36 PM

Gil is the converted infielder right?

nemesis · 08-17-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sabometrics

Gil is the converted infielder right?

Correct. A former SS who supposedly gets it up to around 98.

IslandRed · 08-17-2010, 08:16 PM

Or, it could be that they've decided Gil is expendable and he's just a filler arm for the back of the bullpen. Isringhausen only threw 5.2 innings in three weeks, it's not like his DL trip is creating a huge opening for someone.

dougdirt · 08-17-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nemesis

Correct. A former SS who supposedly gets it up to around 98.

I didn't see him there this past week, but he was 91-93 on the scout guns.

cinreds21 · 08-17-2010, 10:32 PM

Yea, I dunno about Gil hitting 98. The hardest throwers for the Mudcats this year have been Valiquette and I believe Medina who throw 96. Gil may be around 94

dougdirt · 08-17-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

Yea, I dunno about Gil hitting 98. The hardest throwers for the Mudcats this year have been Valiquette and I believe Medina who throw 96. Gil may be around 94

Gotta toss Boxberger in there. He was hitting 96 last week for the Mudcats. Valiquette is the hardest thrower this year though, hitting 100.

Heath · 08-17-2010, 11:11 PM

One of these days, Phillippe Valiquette is going to find some control.

cinreds21 · 08-17-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Gotta toss Boxberger in there. He was hitting 96 last week for the Mudcats. Valiquette is the hardest thrower this year though, hitting 100.

What radar are you going off of with the 100?

dougdirt · 08-17-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

What radar are you going off of with the 100?

The Baseball America gun.

08-17-2010, 05:45 PM	#1
batsfan Louisville Bats Expert Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 639	Mesoraco and Gil to AAA According to today's Bats game notes today, Juan Francisco was activated Chris Denove was sent to AA Devin Mesoraco was assgined to AAA Jason Isringhausen was put on the the DL Jerry Gil was promoted to AAA. The first four moves were expected, and should benefit the Bats tremendously in their quest for the division/wild card. So it is hard to complain about the Reds only using the Bats for player development, and not helping them win in a pennant race. But the Gil promotion does not help the Bats win, or help develop a player that could conceivably help the Reds. Gil has walked 53 batters in 56 AAA innings. In his last 10 games he has walked 13 in 13.1 innings. His other peripherals are decent, and he must have had some luck, as his ERA is 4.66, but he clearly has yet to gain anything close to AA level control, and this fault makes him nowhere near being able to help the Bats, let alone the Reds in the near future. Guys like Joe Krebs and Lee Tabor - or pretty much anyone in the Carolina bullpen - would help the Bats more, and could even help the Reds soon. Could someone explain why Gil was brought up instead of Krebs?

08-17-2010, 05:50 PM	#3
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA A lot of these moves arent always performance based. I think a lot of the reason Mes got promoted was not because of how he has been hitting but because they wanted him to be around Power, Sweet, MLB relievers, and Corky Miller.

08-17-2010, 06:10 PM	#5
mace Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,170	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA In the case of Gil, it could be that they wanted to see him against better competition in order to make a determination on his 40-man status at the end of the year. It doesn't seem like he'd be a strong candidate for the 40, but they might feel that they at least owe him a look.

08-17-2010, 06:31 PM	#6
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,484	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA If Gil has the kind of arm he's been reputed to have, it makes sense for the Reds to continue to challenge him and get him with more coaches, as GIDP says. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

08-17-2010, 06:36 PM	#7
sabometrics Formerly Farsighted Fan Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Edgewood, KY Posts: 605	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA Gil is the converted infielder right? __________________ "He looked like a surfer kid from SoCal," manager Dusty Baker says. "He didn't say much, but you could tell he was cool."

08-17-2010, 08:16 PM	#9
IslandRed Charlie Brown All-Star Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Posts: 4,677	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA Or, it could be that they've decided Gil is expendable and he's just a filler arm for the back of the bullpen. Isringhausen only threw 5.2 innings in three weeks, it's not like his DL trip is creating a huge opening for someone. __________________ "I don't have a baseball team, I have a theological seminary." -- Charlie Brown

08-17-2010, 10:32 PM	#11
cinreds21 -The Insider- Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,833	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA Yea, I dunno about Gil hitting 98. The hardest throwers for the Mudcats this year have been Valiquette and I believe Medina who throw 96. Gil may be around 94

08-17-2010, 11:11 PM	#13
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Mesoraco and Gil to AAA One of these days, Phillippe Valiquette is going to find some control. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

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