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OnBaseMachine · 10-21-2010, 02:08 PM

Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP
Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C
Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF
Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B
Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS

camisadelgolf · 10-21-2010, 02:09 PM

I really hope Yorman Rodriguez is an option again. But if not, I'll go with Todd Frazier.

bucksfan2 · 10-21-2010, 02:51 PM

At this point I think you have go to go with a player who is going to become a major leaguer. Cozart will play in the bigs.

medford · 10-21-2010, 03:04 PM

cozart for the same reasons listed when I picked him at 5. (I'd have probably gone Hamilton here)

cinreds21 · 10-21-2010, 03:15 PM

I don't get why everyone is so down on Frazier all of a sudden. He went from number 1 down to not even in the top 5? He had a really bad season yes, but he has picked it up in the second half and is tearing it up in winter ball.

camisadelgolf · 10-21-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

I don't get why everyone is so down on Frazier all of a sudden. He went from number 1 down to not even in the top 5? He had a really bad season yes, but he has picked it up in the second half and is tearing it up in winter ball.

I think it's wishful thinking for some people. The Reds would be in better shape if they had a successful shortstop as opposed to a successful left fielder.

dougdirt · 10-21-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

I don't get why everyone is so down on Frazier all of a sudden. He went from number 1 down to not even in the top 5? He had a really bad season yes, but he has picked it up in the second half and is tearing it up in winter ball.

It isn't so much that everyone is down on him, though I think everyone should be a little bit compared to last season, but other guys just took steps forward to pass him.

dougdirt · 10-21-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bucksfan2

At this point I think you have go to go with a player who is going to become a major leaguer. Cozart will play in the bigs.

Then shouldn't you have voted for the guy on the list who actually has major league experience in Francisco?

Kc61 · 10-21-2010, 03:30 PM

I voted for Francisco who continues to tear up AAA.

If I hadn't voted for Francisco, I would have voted Grandal who is one of the most highly touted draft picks in the country.

Frazier has a lot to prove at AAA. Cozart needs to do better than a .310 OBP and .726 OPS at AAA. I would have Frazier and Cozart at 8 and 9.

nmculbreth · 10-21-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

I don't get why everyone is so down on Frazier all of a sudden. He went from number 1 down to not even in the top 5? He had a really bad season yes, but he has picked it up in the second half and is tearing it up in winter ball.

I can't speak for others but I think there are a lot of reasons why Frazier isn't as highly regarded now as he was this time last season.

1. He really struggled in the first half of the season and despite the fact that he bounced back in th second half he still finished with a less than impressive stat line of .258 / .333 / .781.

2. He still doesn't have a set position. IMHO his bat doesn't profile well enough to be an above average LF or 1B and the fact that the Reds still haven't given him full time 3B duty makes me think they don't see him as an everyday 3B. As such it looks like he's destined to end up as a super sub rather than an everyday player, which makes him less valuable than the players voted ahead of him.

3. There is more top end talent in the system right now than there was last season. In the past season the Reds have added Chapman and Yasmani Grandal to the system, watched Mesoraco blossom into a potential above average catcher and watched high some of their toolsy, young players put together great seasons.

*BaseClogger* · 10-21-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

I voted for Francisco who continues to tear up AAA.

If I hadn't voted for Francisco, I would have voted Grandal who is one of the most highly touted draft picks in the country.

Frazier has a lot to prove at AAA. Cozart needs to do better than a .310 OBP and .726 OPS at AAA. I would have Frazier and Cozart at 8 and 9.

I can get behind this thinking!

Degenerate39 · 10-21-2010, 04:01 PM

I feel like Grandal has the most potential out of all those on the poll

Brutus · 10-21-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cinreds21

I don't get why everyone is so down on Frazier all of a sudden. He went from number 1 down to not even in the top 5? He had a really bad season yes, but he has picked it up in the second half and is tearing it up in winter ball.

For me, I haven't been terribly high on Frazier from the get-go. He's not really done anything that grabs me and says, "wow." I think he has the chance to be a decent major league player, but I'd like to see more consistency.

JaxRed · 10-21-2010, 04:08 PM

If you sort the Bats stats by AB's Cozart and Frazier are #1 and #2, and it's amazing how similar their stats are. And Frazier actually tops him pretty much across the board. I think the Reds think they can put Frazier at 3b any time they want.

Still, I haven't made up my mind yet between a few guys.

Kc61 · 10-21-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JaxRed

And Frazier actually tops him pretty much across the board. I think the Reds think they can put Frazier at 3b any time they want.

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If Frazier were a future third baseman, you would think the Reds would play him there more often.

Is he so great defensively that he can learn third base without actually playing there?

View Poll Results: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect?
Junior Arias	1	1.06%
Brad Boxberger	0	0%
Daniel Corcino	0	0%
Jonathan Correa	0	0%
Zack Cozart	20	21.28%
Danny Dorn	1	1.06%
Juan Duran	2	2.13%
Juan Francisco	20	21.28%
Todd Frazier	10	10.64%
Yasmani Grandal	33	35.11%
Ismael Guillon	1	1.06%
Jacob Johnson	0	0%
Donnie Joseph	1	1.06%
Ryan LaMarre	0	0%
Kyle Lotzkar	1	1.06%
Felix Perez	0	0%
David Sappelt	2	2.13%
Neftali Soto	0	0%
Ronald Torreyes	1	1.06%
Chris Valaika	1	1.06%
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll

10-21-2010, 03:30 PM	#9
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,046	Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? I voted for Francisco who continues to tear up AAA. If I hadn't voted for Francisco, I would have voted Grandal who is one of the most highly touted draft picks in the country. Frazier has a lot to prove at AAA. Cozart needs to do better than a .310 OBP and .726 OPS at AAA. I would have Frazier and Cozart at 8 and 9. Last edited by Kc61; 10-21-2010 at 03:33 PM.

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10-21-2010, 04:08 PM	#14
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,268	Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? If you sort the Bats stats by AB's Cozart and Frazier are #1 and #2, and it's amazing how similar their stats are. And Frazier actually tops him pretty much across the board. I think the Reds think they can put Frazier at 3b any time they want. Still, I haven't made up my mind yet between a few guys.

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10-21-2010, 02:08 PM	#1
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,692	Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

10-21-2010, 02:09 PM	#2
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? I really hope Yorman Rodriguez is an option again. But if not, I'll go with Todd Frazier.

10-21-2010, 02:51 PM	#3
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,650	Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? At this point I think you have go to go with a player who is going to become a major leaguer. Cozart will play in the bigs.

10-21-2010, 03:04 PM	#4
medford Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,040	Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? cozart for the same reasons listed when I picked him at 5. (I'd have probably gone Hamilton here)

10-21-2010, 03:15 PM	#5
cinreds21 -The Insider- Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,835	Re: Who is Redszone's #6 prospect? I don't get why everyone is so down on Frazier all of a sudden. He went from number 1 down to not even in the top 5? He had a really bad season yes, but he has picked it up in the second half and is tearing it up in winter ball.