Redszone Hall of Fame

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

I got to thinking, seeing today's thread on the ORG about the Hall of Fame vote (for players)... given the site setup, with the "call-up" like system we have here, why not institute a Hall of Fame for the best of the best?

Just thinking out loud, but it would be kind of cool to enshrine some of the best posters once a year.

Maybe after being a member for so many years and having 'x' number of posts, a person becomes eligible. Then we have nominations and a vote once a year to enshrine new members.

What say you? Seems like it would be kind of cool. I'm not normally much for making too big a deal out of who the best posters are, but if we're modeling a site a little after baseball and encourage recognition of better discussion, seems like a neat thing to try.

Anyone up for the idea?

Kinda like Facebook, let's see who has the most "friends". Nah, no thanks

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

Like I said, if we're worried about hurt feelings, why do we already have a class society separating the best posters from the folks on the Sun Deck? If that's truly an issue, we should go back to one board.

Several people have already commented they think it's a neat idea. So if it is, then I think we shouldn't let the possibility of a few people getting their feelings hurt stop us from doing it. I'm all for doing it in a way we can limit the possibility, but I see no reason why we can't do it. Awards, merits, honors are given in almost every facet of life at the risk of someone having their feelings hurt. I just think that's a petty reason not to do something. Do we have to give trophies for last place these days?

Why would we want to expound on one of the most controversial and contentious issues RZ has had to deal with? Your example above is the best argument you could make not to do it.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Why would we want to expound on one of the most controversial and contentious issues RZ has had to deal with? Your example above is the best argument you could make not to do it.

There's a big difference... the rep system was about pointing out the 'bad' posts/posters. A HOF is meant simply to acknowledge the best of the best. The two are very different.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by TRF

Something about this post was bugging me, and I finally figured it out.

You are right. We don't have to give out trophies for last place. Where you are wrong is not everything is a competition. The reason tORG was separated from tSD was that the established members of Redszone had built a community that was comforable. There were rules posted but almost no violators. We left the old cinci.com board to get away from trolls, flame posts and edgy language (see edgy language thread ) Like it or not, the new people had to prove they can contribute in a way acceptable to the existing community. And they weren't doing a good job.

And now you want to segregate another group, by placing a fewat yet another level? why? There is absolutely no upside to this idea. IMO Redszone has one HOFer... Old Red Guard. Look for the post that tORG was essentially founded on. I think it's archived.

I've been here a long time. I've been right a few times, wrong a few times and part of the masses almost all the time. Some here I consider casual friends, though we have never met. Some I miss terribly because they left and their wit and wisdom were a bright point to a day or week. Some I wouldn't say hi to if we passed on the street. I don't need to see them in a Virtual Hall of Fame.

The yearly awards are fun, light hearted, offer no special privileges and are not taken so seriously that we offend anyone. It's about as much of a competition as a David Letterman Top 10 List.

So count me against a HOF idea.

But that's still acknowledging that some posters are better than others, yes? I don't see how it can be OK to do that, and in the same breath, say it's not OK to acknowledge a certain group of people for their contributions. I just don't see the big deal.

And if someone has their feelings hurt because they didn't receive a message board honor, I don't think the problem has anything to do with the recognition itself.

[TRF]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

But that's still acknowledging that some posters are better than others, yes? I don't see how it can be OK to do that, and in the same breath, say it's not OK to acknowledge a certain group of people for their contributions. I just don't see the big deal.

And if someone has their feelings hurt because they didn't receive a message board honor, I don't think the problem has anything to do with the recognition itself.

No. It's saying new posters have to prove they can meet a certain standard. I don't let just anyone in my livingroom. SunDeck posters can prove they accept and adhere to the rules. And if they want ORG access, they can apply for it.

I don't see the upside of a post like this:

well, yada yada does post a lot, but he tends to take over threads and presents opinions as facts too often. I know he's popular with some, but hardly a hall of famer.

And that might be a tame version of a post.

Brutus, you had an idea. IMO it's a bad one, but worth discussion. If it were put to a vote, you'd get a no from me, and from the general reaction, I think a lot of others agree.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by TRF

No. It's saying new posters have to prove they can meet a certain standard. I don't let just anyone in my livingroom. SunDeck posters can prove they accept and adhere to the rules. And if they want ORG access, they can apply for it.

I don't see the upside of a post like this:

And that might be a tame version of a post.

Brutus, you had an idea. IMO it's a bad one, but worth discussion. If it were put to a vote, you'd get a no from me, and from the general reaction, I think a lot of others agree.

It has nothing to do with the rules in most cases. Most of the Sun Deck posters do follow the rules. We simply pick and choose who we feel gives better discussion. Let's call a spade a spade. You know it and I know it. We decide who the better posters are, they request being added, and we decide who comes and who doesn't. There are certainly some situations where some posters break rules quite often, but you know that it is usually simply a matter of popularity--and who we think is worthy of being added. The general rule of thumb is deciding who adds the most quality discussion. A lot of the people turned down don't break the rules. If, truly, the "rules" were all we were worried about, why not simply let everyone join and then quickly ban anyone breaking them? Because you know it's not about that.

I think it's a good idea. Many people have said so, including Boss. Now granted, boss has some concerns about it, but if it came to a vote, my sense is more people think it's a good idea than not.

[Razor Shines]

I'm with you on a lot of things Brutus, but not this one. I just don't see the need for it. For me it's not about anyone's feelings getting hurt, it's just that I don't see the point. They've memorialized Old Red Guard and that's probably good enough.

I do like the idea of the yearly awards and I nominate TRF to run it.

[TRF]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

It has nothing to do with the rules in most cases. Most of the Sun Deck posters do follow the rules. We simply pick and choose who we feel gives better discussion. Let's call a spade a spade. You know it and I know it. We decide who the better posters are, they request being added, and we decide who comes and who doesn't. There are certainly some situations where some posters break rules quite often, but you know that it is usually simply a matter of popularity--and who we think is worthy of being added. The general rule of thumb is deciding who adds the most quality discussion. A lot of the people turned down don't break the rules. If, truly, the "rules" were all we were worried about, why not simply let everyone join and then quickly ban anyone breaking them? Because you know it's not about that.

I think it's a good idea. Many people have said so, including Boss. Now granted, boss has some concerns about it, but if it came to a vote, my sense is more people think it's a good idea than not.

RZ has over 2200 members. remember all the moderating that had to be done when just a few trolls came in after the BP tirade and ensuing brawl?

do we want one forum with 30 threads about Player X? and with such insightful posts as "I agree" or "that is interesting" and no follow up? you can obey the rules and still offer nothing to a forum.

I don't see the need to point to another group, put them on a yet higher pedestal, and foster even more division. I don't need to put Stormy in the hall of fame, in my mind he's there because when he does post, I ALWAYS read his posts. Same with woy, M2, princeton, who I happen to not like very much, no offense, he just rubs me the wrong way, Raisor, Puffy and TeamCasey. If they post, I read it. They are in my Hall of Fame already.

And my sense is if it were put to a vote, you'd be wrong about the outcome.

[Puffy]

If I can be serious for a second I'd vote a BIG no to this idea. I don't think we need yet another popularity contest, but thats just me.

I will say though that if I am overruled than I'd immediately nominate RFS - he's old and I'd like to get him in before dementia sets in. He's a moderator on another board ya know!

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by Red Leader

Hopefully with both of them still inside....

Thanks.....hey wait, there's an insult in there!!

[Red in Chicago]

My two cents ---- Bad idea...No Redszone HOF...

[Raisor]

Originally Posted by Puffy

I will say though that if I am overruled than I'd immediately nominate RFS - he's old and I'd like to get him in before dementia sets in.

errrrr...might be a little late.

[savafan]

Originally Posted by RFS62

I think Sava used to start that thread every year.

I actually think creek started this, and I just carried on the tradition. I'd certainly be happy to do it again, as it was usually done every January, but I don't like the idea of a Redszone HOF.

[WMR]

Originally Posted by savafan

I actually think creek started this, and I just carried on the tradition. I'd certainly be happy to do it again, as it was usually done every January, but I don't like the idea of a Redszone HOF.

Agreed. Always really enjoyed those year end accolades. You should definitely get it rolling again this year if you feel so inclined, Sava.

RZ HoF is a bad idea, IMHO.

[kaldaniels]

I'm game for a Redszone Roast every few months. I'm sure we all have posts that we have made that we hope remain forgotten.