Nationals Sign Jayson Werth

[Ron Madden]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

I'd rather Werth for the first 4 years, Dunn over the last 3 years.

In other words, Werth at $17M for 4 years is better than Dunn at $14M, but I ceertainly wouldn't want to pay those years 5-7.

All I'm saying is I believe the White Sox made a far better deal than the Nationals did.

[paintmered]

Scott Boras isn't the problem. GMs that cave to Scott Boras are the problem.

[Joseph]

Originally Posted by Ron Madden

The Nationals would have been better off keeping Adam Dunn IMHO.

Way better off. The Nats just took one step forward and 5 steps back.

[RedLegSuperStar]

So Adam Dunn signed for 4 years 56 mil and Werth gets 7 years for 126 mil. It seems the Nats were bidding against themselves.. Boston was offering 4 years. I doubt anyone was even in the same zip code, area code, or state for that matter as the Nationals.

[JaxRed]

I don't think it will take 4 years for this to start going bad.

[mth123]

So. in about 3 hours the Sox lose Werth and Gonzalez. I'm guessing they'll go hard for Beltre now. Maybe Crawford too.

[MattyHo4Life]

Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar

It seems the Nats were bidding against themselves.

Isnt that how it usually works when Boras is involved?

[oneupper]

Da Nats is Nuts.

[GADawg]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

Werth has averaged 5 wins above replacement each of the past 3 years. Dunn was a 1.5 win player as an outfielder and 3.9 last year as a 1B. Either way you slice it, Werth has been much more valuable as a player than Dunn. He's worth the money, right now, they're paying relative to Dunn.

I don't think this is a good contract, mind you. I think they'll get 3-4 good years out of him at most. But right now, they're better with Werth than they were with Dunn.

i'm not sure how these new fangled stats work but will Werth's numbers suffer replacing Howard, Utley, Ibanez, etc...with basically Zimmerman? Would Dunn's numbers possibly have been better with a better supporting cast?

[hebroncougar]

Wow.......this ranks on par with the Zito contract IMO, monumentally stupid.

[paintmered]

4 years/$60M would have been an okay contract. This is organizational payflex suicide.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by GADawg

i'm not sure how these new fangled stats work but will Werth's numbers suffer replacing Howard, Utley, Ibanez, etc...with basically Zimmerman? Would Dunn's numbers possibly have been better with a better supporting cast?

I think we pretty much know what Dunn is by now. While the protection issue could impact it, I doubt it's enough to radically change what a player is or isn't. I won't say having Howard, Ibanez, etc. around you in the lineup doesn't help, but Werth has been a real good offensive player and solid defender for the Phillies. I just don't see that changing on account of protection.

The aging issue is one that will probably manifest itself before the life of the contract. But I'm definitely not arguing in favor of the years, but rather the dollars right now.

[blumj]

Originally Posted by mth123

So. in about 3 hours the Sox lose Werth and Gonzalez. I'm guessing they'll go hard for Beltre now. Maybe Crawford too.

The Red Sox didn't lose Gonzalez, they always do this.

[RedLegSuperStar]

This in my opinion raises the tag of Crawford.. and on a Reds front.. Bruce maybe. Now granted Bruce's numbers aren't that of Jayson Werth but Bruce has a better glove and is a step or two behind Werth on offense.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Originally Posted by blumj

The Red Sox didn't lose Gonzalez, they always do this.

I don't blame the Sox though.. Gonzalez is coming off of surgery. Work out a deal during the season.