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camisadelgolf · 01-12-2011, 03:47 PM

Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP
Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C
Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF
Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B
Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS
Prospect #6 - Yasmani Grandal, C
Prospect #7 - Todd Frazier, IF/OF
Prospect #8 - Juan Francisco, 3B
Prospect #9 - Zack Cozart, SS
Prospect #10 - David Sappelt, CF
Prospect #11 - Donnie Joseph, LHP
Prospect #12 - Ismael Guillon, LHP
Prospect #13 - Brad Boxberger, RHP
Prospect #14 - Chris Valaika, IF
Prospect #15 - Kyle Lotzkar, RHP
Prospect #16 - Ryan LaMarre, OF
Prospect #17 - Juan Duran, OF
Prospect #18 - Junior Arias, SS
Prospect #19 - Sam Lecure, RHP
Prospect #20 - Ronald Torreyes, IF
Prospect #21 - Neftali Soto, IF
Prospect #22 - Jonathan Correa, RHP
Prospect #23 - Danny Dorn, 1B/OF
Prospect #24 - Henry Rodriguez, IF
Prospect #25 - Kris Negron, IF
Prospect #26 - Daryl Thompson, RHP
Prospect #27 - Didi Gregorius, SS
Prospect #28 - Drew Cisco, RHP
Prospect #29 - Cody Puckett, IF/OF
Prospect #30 - Dan Corcino, RHP

Red Soup · 01-12-2011, 04:59 PM

Let's drum up some Jacob Johnson support. His time has come!

OesterPoster · 01-12-2011, 09:27 PM

Valiquette.

Time for the Canadian lefty who throws upper 90's. If he could just figure out the control a little, he'd rocket up the prospect list.

dougdirt · 01-12-2011, 09:56 PM

Felix Perez is quite underrated here.

mace · 01-12-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Soup

Let's drum up some Jacob Johnson support. His time has come!

Well, now you've gone and made me reconsider. I've been voting for Barnhart only because I was the only one voting for Johnson a while back (a long while back). Guess I'll have to sit tight for a day or so and see which of them has the best chance.

Scrap Irony · 01-12-2011, 10:16 PM

Johnson, at 19, survived Dayton, a fairly big deal. Repeating this season at Dayton should see him throw up some pretty serious numbers.

If, on the other hand, he goes up to Bakersfield, he should continue to do what he did in Low A. (Slightly below league average, in other words.)

Mario-Rijo · 01-12-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Felix Perez is quite underrated here.

Didn't you just make a compelling argument against him recently Doug, or was that someone else?

mace · 01-12-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Didn't you just make a compelling argument against him recently Doug, or was that someone else?

Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but in the Prospect #30 thread there were three of us in a row who thumbs-downed him--RedsManRick, me and JaxRed.

dougdirt · 01-12-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Didn't you just make a compelling argument against him recently Doug, or was that someone else?

It wasn't me. I have him in my personal Top 25.

JaxRed · 01-12-2011, 11:46 PM

Not sure who I'm voting for. It won't be Perez.

Mario-Rijo · 01-13-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mace

Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but in the Prospect #30 thread there were three of us in a row who thumbs-downed him--RedsManRick, me and JaxRed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougdirt

It wasn't me. I have him in my personal Top 25.

Ah, ok thanks.

Edd Roush · 01-13-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Felix Perez is quite underrated here.

Doug, I usually agree with most of your ratings, but why am I supposed to get excited by a 25 year old who OPSed .684 in AA last year? Granted he is not a usual 25 year old in the sense that this is his first professional season in the states, but he is already old and apparently isn't great with the leather. Why would you take him over Fleury/Barnhart or even Valiquette?

dougdirt · 01-13-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Edd Roush

Doug, I usually agree with most of your ratings, but why am I supposed to get excited by a 25 year old who OPSed .684 in AA last year? Granted he is not a usual 25 year old in the sense that this is his first professional season in the states, but he is already old and apparently isn't great with the leather. Why would you take him over Fleury/Barnhart or even Valiquette?

Toss out what he did in AA. For starters, the sample size is really small. Toss in that he also dealt with an oblique injury while he was there. If you remove the two weeks when he first came back off the dl from the oblique injury(.156/.240/.177), he hit pretty well in AA (.318/.367/.447) and it was right in line with what he did the rest of the year. Problem is, the sample was so small in AA that those two weeks really hurt his overall numbers.

As for his tools, he doesn't have a bad one. None of them are considered plus, but I don't think one of them is below average either. His glove is fine. He isn't Drew Stubbs, but he isn't Jonny Gomes either. I like the overall package he brings to the table.

Edd Roush · 01-13-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Toss out what he did in AA. For starters, the sample size is really small. Toss in that he also dealt with an oblique injury while he was there. If you remove the two weeks when he first came back off the dl from the oblique injury(.156/.240/.177), he hit pretty well in AA (.318/.367/.447) and it was right in line with what he did the rest of the year. Problem is, the sample was so small in AA that those two weeks really hurt his overall numbers.

As for his tools, he doesn't have a bad one. None of them are considered plus, but I don't think one of them is below average either. His glove is fine. He isn't Drew Stubbs, but he isn't Jonny Gomes either. I like the overall package he brings to the table.

I am not saying that Felix Perez doesn't have value, but why does he have more than Fleury or Barnhart? Both catchers play more valuable defensive positions well and swing pretty good sticks too. Sorry for digging; I am just curious about your thought process.

medford · 01-13-2011, 04:28 PM

When I first starting voting for Felix about 8-10 picks ago, before the Fred Lewis signing and the ER signing, and the lack of deals moving other players (namely Heisey/Sappelet) I said that it wouldn't surprise me to see him make the team out of spring training if he hit well there and a few things broke in his favor (like trades/injuries) as a left handed bat off the bench that could fill all 3 out field spots.

That's obviously not going to happen now, even though the odds were pretty long in the first place, but the reports of fred lewis kind of remind me of the reports I saw on Felix when he first signed last year, and what Doug typed above.

I think there are several remaining on the list above with more upside than Felix, but nature of the beast is that many of them will never make it above AA. Felix seems like a pretty safe bet to play in AAA sometime w/n the next season and a half, and decent shot of at least seeing a cup of coffee one day, if not a decent bench bat for a spell.

View Poll Results: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect?
C Tucker Barnhart	3	4.76%
IF Alex Buchholz	1	1.59%
LHP Matt Fairel	1	1.59%
C Mark Fleury	8	12.70%
RHP Jordan Hotchkiss	2	3.17%
RHP Jake Johnson	7	11.11%
RHP Matt Klinker	3	4.76%
OF Felix Perez	14	22.22%
RHP Josh Ravin	0	0%
LHP Tanner Robles	2	3.17%
RHP Mark Serrano	1	1.59%
RHP J.C. Sulbaran	0	0%
RHP Dan Tuttle	1	1.59%
LHP Phil Valiquette	16	25.40%
SS Humberto Valor	1	1.59%
OF Kyle Waldrop	3	4.76%
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01-12-2011, 03:47 PM	#1
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS Prospect #6 - Yasmani Grandal, C Prospect #7 - Todd Frazier, IF/OF Prospect #8 - Juan Francisco, 3B Prospect #9 - Zack Cozart, SS Prospect #10 - David Sappelt, CF Prospect #11 - Donnie Joseph, LHP Prospect #12 - Ismael Guillon, LHP Prospect #13 - Brad Boxberger, RHP Prospect #14 - Chris Valaika, IF Prospect #15 - Kyle Lotzkar, RHP Prospect #16 - Ryan LaMarre, OF Prospect #17 - Juan Duran, OF Prospect #18 - Junior Arias, SS Prospect #19 - Sam Lecure, RHP Prospect #20 - Ronald Torreyes, IF Prospect #21 - Neftali Soto, IF Prospect #22 - Jonathan Correa, RHP Prospect #23 - Danny Dorn, 1B/OF Prospect #24 - Henry Rodriguez, IF Prospect #25 - Kris Negron, IF Prospect #26 - Daryl Thompson, RHP Prospect #27 - Didi Gregorius, SS Prospect #28 - Drew Cisco, RHP Prospect #29 - Cody Puckett, IF/OF Prospect #30 - Dan Corcino, RHP __________________ Get MLBtraderumors Reds updates on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-R...33794710005587 http://i.imgur.com/1bCKpaH.jpg

01-12-2011, 04:59 PM	#2
Red Soup Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, Maine Posts: 80	Re: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? Let's drum up some Jacob Johnson support. His time has come!

01-12-2011, 09:27 PM	#3
OesterPoster Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West-central Ohio Posts: 1,919	Re: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? Valiquette. Time for the Canadian lefty who throws upper 90's. If he could just figure out the control a little, he'd rocket up the prospect list.

01-12-2011, 09:56 PM	#4
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 31,094	Re: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? Felix Perez is quite underrated here. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

01-12-2011, 10:16 PM	#6
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? Johnson, at 19, survived Dayton, a fairly big deal. Repeating this season at Dayton should see him throw up some pretty serious numbers. If, on the other hand, he goes up to Bakersfield, he should continue to do what he did in Low A. (Slightly below league average, in other words.) __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

01-12-2011, 11:46 PM	#10
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,266	Re: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? Not sure who I'm voting for. It won't be Perez.

01-13-2011, 04:28 PM	#15
medford Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,040	Re: Who is Redszone's #31 prospect? When I first starting voting for Felix about 8-10 picks ago, before the Fred Lewis signing and the ER signing, and the lack of deals moving other players (namely Heisey/Sappelet) I said that it wouldn't surprise me to see him make the team out of spring training if he hit well there and a few things broke in his favor (like trades/injuries) as a left handed bat off the bench that could fill all 3 out field spots. That's obviously not going to happen now, even though the odds were pretty long in the first place, but the reports of fred lewis kind of remind me of the reports I saw on Felix when he first signed last year, and what Doug typed above. I think there are several remaining on the list above with more upside than Felix, but nature of the beast is that many of them will never make it above AA. Felix seems like a pretty safe bet to play in AAA sometime w/n the next season and a half, and decent shot of at least seeing a cup of coffee one day, if not a decent bench bat for a spell.