Official 2011 Redszone NFL Mock Draft thread ...

[LoganBuck]

Originally Posted by Lockdwn11

Ok, so if you were picking for the Bengal what players that were available with the Bengals picks would you have taken?

I am fine with the Moore pick. Addresses a gaping hole, that has been a problem since Madieu left.

I would have gone with Gabbert in the first here. Defensive Line is the riskiest position to draft in the first round. Everybody always thinks it is a safe pick, but short careers, and age robs the explosiveness. For every next Warren Sapp, you have the next Tommie Harris, DeWayne Robertson, Dan Wilkenson, Ryan Sims, and Amobi Okoye. The same superlatives that Dareus has thrown at him. People moan and groan about picking QBs but the payoff, is much greater for a longer period of time. If you can get the difference maker. Scouting and offensive scheme make all the difference. Gabbert has the tools, the smarts, and supposedly the intangibles.

Right now, I would take one of the North Carolina players. DT Marvin Austin or WR Greg Little. Both were difference makers. Both are high upside guys, the character concerns are the same with them as with AJ Green. And nobody seems to care there.

[Lockdwn11]

I dont see any of this years QB class being top 5 worthy including Blaine Gabbert. I feel you would be reaching for what you perceive as a need and it is but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on a guy who's talents don't match that high ranking just because he is a QB. Marcell Dareus is the much better pick at 4. If you wanted Blaine Gabbert you would be much better off trading back to the middle of the first but our mock doesn't allow for that. I don't see Gabbert's skill set being that much better then a QB you could get in the later rounds like Christian Ponder so I would take the consensus top 5 pick in Dareus

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

I am fine with the Moore pick. Addresses a gaping hole, that has been a problem since Madieu left.

I would have gone with Gabbert in the first here. Defensive Line is the riskiest position to draft in the first round. Everybody always thinks it is a safe pick, but short careers, and age robs the explosiveness. For every next Warren Sapp, you have the next Tommie Harris, DeWayne Robertson, Dan Wilkenson, Ryan Sims, and Amobi Okoye. The same superlatives that Dareus has thrown at him. People moan and groan about picking QBs but the payoff, is much greater for a longer period of time. If you can get the difference maker. Scouting and offensive scheme make all the difference. Gabbert has the tools, the smarts, and supposedly the intangibles.

Right now, I would take one of the North Carolina players. DT Marvin Austin or WR Greg Little. Both were difference makers. Both are high upside guys, the character concerns are the same with them as with AJ Green. And nobody seems to care there.

I certainly understand where you are coming from, I admit there is risk to my selections there just always is with any pick. David Carr, Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Klingler. That said I think we have slightly differing opinions on Gabbert. He has the tools, the smarts and seemingly most of the intangibles. From everything I have read he can get skittish back there and to me that is a serious red flag if true. Had this been the real draft I was in charge of I would have done everything to clarify that point and if not probably would have taken him albeit a bit reluctantly because I really like Dareus. In this case it's just a mock and I am not likely to get enough clarification on Gabbert to make myself feel comfortable. Besides drafting Dareus goes hand in hand with my adopted philosophical approach, build up the lines preferably from inside out and the team will follow with success. In my dream scenario I trade Palmer for Seattles #1 pick and get Mike Pouncey in addition to Dareus (I also wanted Pounceys brother last year over anyone else and he showed why I felt that way). So really I am showing everyone what I think we should be doing as opposed to taking the path most traveled.

Scouts Inc.

Only knock here is he gets a bit anxious and unsettled when opposing pass rush is starting to get to him.

Merrill Hoge breaks Gabbert down (with Video)
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6246408

[LoganBuck]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

I certainly understand where you are coming from, I admit there is risk to my selections there just always is with any pick. David Carr, Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Klingler. That said I think we have slightly differing opinions on Gabbert. He has the tools, the smarts and seemingly most of the intangibles. From everything I have read he can get skittish back there and to me that is a serious red flag if true. Had this been the real draft I was in charge of I would have done everything to clarify that point and if not probably would have taken him albeit a bit reluctantly because I really like Dareus. In this case it's just a mock and I am not likely to get enough clarification on Gabbert to make myself feel comfortable. Besides drafting Dareus goes hand in hand with my adopted philosophical approach, build up the lines preferably from inside out and the team will follow with success. In my dream scenario I trade Palmer for Seattles #1 pick and get Mike Pouncey in addition to Dareus (I also wanted Pounceys brother last year over anyone else and he showed why I felt that way). So really I am showing everyone what I think we should be doing as opposed to taking the path most traveled.

Scouts Inc.


Merrill Hoge breaks Gabbert down (with Video)
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6246408

That is fine, I guess I got the most frustrated when I saw the Andy Dalton selection come up. That guy just does nothing for me, and if the Bengals were taking him as the long term selection, I would be flabbergasted. I just don't see it with him. I would be happier with Kolb, Gabbert, or even Cam Newton, who I am leery of. Really this year I only like three Qb's Gabbert, Ponder, and Kaepernick. I am lukewarm on Newton, given his seemingly high draft position. The rest, I just don't see as NFL QBs.

[LoganBuck]

Originally Posted by Lockdwn11

I dont see any of this years QB class being top 5 worthy including Blaine Gabbert. I feel you would be reaching for what you perceive as a need and it is but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on a guy who's talents don't match that high ranking just because he is a QB. Marcell Dareus is the much better pick at 4. If you wanted Blaine Gabbert you would be much better off trading back to the middle of the first but our mock doesn't allow for that. I don't see Gabbert's skill set being that much better then a QB you could get in the later rounds like Christian Ponder so I would take the consensus top 5 pick in Dareus

Blaine Gabbert is a consensus top 5 pick. At this point that is not in debate.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

That is fine, I guess I got the most frustrated when I saw the Andy Dalton selection come up. That guy just does nothing for me, and if the Bengals were taking him as the long term selection, I would be flabbergasted. I just don't see it with him. I would be happier with Kolb, Gabbert, or even Cam Newton, who I am leery of. Really this year I only like three Qb's Gabbert, Ponder, and Kaepernick. I am lukewarm on Newton, given his seemingly high draft position. The rest, I just don't see as NFL QBs.

Yeah I am not foreseeing Dalton being the starter. I think he has a chance but I am not counting on it but I do think he could be a solid backup/marginal spot starter in the right system and I think this is that system. Some might wonder why I took a backup in the 3rd and I'd say that it's 2 fold, #1 like I said I think he has a chance to be a decent starter and #2 not at all comfortable with the QB's on the roster currently especially without a starter.

[Lockdwn11]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

Blaine Gabbert is a consensus top 5 pick. At this point that is not in debate.

I don't think I have seen him ranked as a top 5 pro prospects on any site. I do believe he will be drafted in the top 10.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

Blaine Gabbert is a consensus top 5 pick. At this point that is not in debate.

Well to be fair I just showed you a clip of Merrill Hoge suggesting he would take him towards the end of the 1st and not before. I don't think your completely out of line suggesting it (because most would agree) but it's certainly not consensus in the truest sense of the word.

[Buckeye33]

Oxblood thought we were only doing 2 rounds so he has not paid attention so someone please make a pick for him.

Thanks

[WVRed]

The Buffalo Bills select Marvin Austin (DT-UNC)

[Topcat]

I keep checking in but is it safe to assume this draft is dead now ?

[chicoruiz]

I keep checking in but is it safe to assume this draft is dead now ?

Not necessarily... I'm ready to make Cleveland's pick as soon as Cedric (or somebody) makes Arizona's.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by chicoruiz

Not necessarily... I'm ready to make Cleveland's pick as soon as Cedric (or somebody) makes Arizona's.

Sent Cedric a PM yesterday evening. He hasn't been on since the 27th at 11 pm, so he is probably due.

[NJReds]

Originally Posted by chicoruiz

Not necessarily... I'm ready to make Cleveland's pick as soon as Cedric (or somebody) makes Arizona's.

I have a couple of possibilities lined up for Dallas as well.

[Puffy]

1st Round

1. Carolina (2-14) - bucksfan2 - - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Denver (4-12) - TheBigLebowski - - Nick Fairly, DT, Auburn
3. Buffalo (4-12) - Oxblood - - D'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
4. Cincinnati (4-12) - Mario-Rijo - - Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
5. Arizona (5-11) - Cedric - - Von Miller, LB, Texas AM
6. Cleveland (5-11) - chicoruiz - - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
7. San Francisco (6-10) - Kingspoint - - Patrick Peterson, cornerback, LSU
8. Tennessee (6-10) - Topcat - - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
9. Dallas (6-10) - NJReds - - JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
10. Washington (6-10) - Gallen5862 - - Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
11. Houston (6-10) - HotCorner - - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
12. Minnesota (6-10) - LoganBuck - - A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
13. Detroit (6-10) - HotCorner - - Tyron Smith, OT, Southern Cal
14. St. Louis (7-9) - LoganBuck - - Corey Liuget, DE, Illinois
15. Miami (7-9) - Sean_Casey Rules - - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - JaxRed - - Cameron Jordan, DL, Cal
17. New England (14-2) - from Oakland - WVRed - - Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple
18. San Diego (9-7) - Buckeye33 - - Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
19. New York Giants (10-6) - Puffy - - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - Reds44 -- Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
21. Kansas City (10-6) - WVRed--Phil Taylor DT-Baylor
22. Indianapolis (10-6) - Redsfanmia--Gabe Carimi,OT,Wisconsin
23. Philadelphia (10-6) - Redlegs212--Jimmy Smith,CB-Colorado.
24. New Orleans (11-5) - Buckeye33--Cameron Heyward, DT, Ohio State
25. Seattle (7-9) - chicoruiz-- Jake Locker,QB-Washington
26. Baltimore (12-4) - JaxRed -- Aaron Williams, CB Texas
27. Atlanta (13-3) - Mario-Rijo -- Adrian Clayborn, DE Iowa
28. New England (14-2) - WVRed -- Mike Pouncey, OG/OC Florida
29. Chicago (11-5) - Todd Gack -- Nate Solder, OT Colorado
30. New York Jets (11-5) - KoryMac5 -- Justin Houston, OLB Georgia
31. Pittsburgh (12-4) - Lockdwn11 -- Brandon Harris, CB Miami Fl.
32. Green Bay (10-6) - Mutaman -- Allen Bailey DE, Miami Fl.

2nd Round

Quote:
1. New England - WVRed -- Mikel LeShoure, RB Illinois
2. Buffalo (4-12) - Oxblood -- Ryan Mallet, QB Arkansas
3. Cincinnati (4-12) - Mario-Rijo -- Rahim Moore, S UCLA
4. Denver (4-12)- TheBigLebowski -- Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (FL).
5. Cleveland (5-11)- chicoruiz -- Jabal Sheard DE, Pitt
6. Arizona (5-11)- Cedric -- Stefen Wisniewski, C/G, Penn State
7. Tennessee (6-10)- Topcat -- Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
8. Dallas (6-10)- NJReds -- Derek Sherrod, OT, Miss. St.
9. Washington (6-10)- Gallen5862 -- AKEEM AYERS, OLB, UCLA.
10. Houston (6-10)- HotCorner --Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
11. Minnesota (6-10)- LoganBuck -- Christian Ponder,QB, Florida State University
12. Detroit (6-10) - HotCorner -- Bruce Davis LB, North Carolina
13. San Francisco (6-10) - Kingspoint -- Colin Kaepernick QB, Nevada
14. Denver - (7-9) - TheBigLebowski -- Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
15. St. Louis (7-9) - LoganBuck -- Jonathan Baldwin WR, Pitt
16. Oakland (8-8) - Slyder -- Marcus Cannon OL, TCU
17. Jacksonville (8-8) - JaxRed -- Brooks Reed OLB, Arizona
18. San Diego (9-7) - Buckeye33 -- Martez Wilson LB, Illinois
19. Tampa Bay (10-6) - Reds44 -- Danny Watkins OG, Baylor
20. New York Giants (10-6) Puffy -- Ryan Williams RB, Va. Tech
21. Indianapolis* (10-6) - Redsfanmia -- Deunta Williams S, N.C.
22. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Redlegs212 -- Sam Acho OLB, Texas
23. Kansas City* (10-6) - WVRed -- Rodney Hudson C/G, Florida St.
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Buckeye33 -- Quinton Carter S, Oklahoma
25. Seattle* (7-9) - chicoruiz -- Ben Ijalana OT/OG, Villanova
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - JaxRed -- Titus Young WR, Boise State
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Mario-Rijo -- Tandon Doss WR, Indiana
28. New England* (14-2) - WVRed -- Randall Cobb WR, UK
29. San Diego - Buckeye33 -- Jerrell Jernigan WR, Troy
30. Chicago* (11-5) - Todd Gack -- Drake Nevis DT, LSU
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Lockdwn11 -- Orlando Franklin OG, Miami FL.
32. Green Bay* (10-6) - Mutaman -- Terrence Tolliver WR, LSU

3rd Round

1. Carolina (2-14) - Bucksfan2 -- Greg Jones LB, Michigan State
2. Cincinnati (4-12) - Mario-Rijo -- Andy Dalton QB, TCU
3. Denver (4-12) - TheBigLebowski -- Ahmad Black, S, Florida
4. Buffalo (4-12) - Oxblood -- Marvin Austin, DT, UNC
5. Arizona (5-11) - Cedric --
6. Cleveland (5-11) - chicoruiz --
7. Dallas (6-10) - NJReds --
8. New Orleans - Buckeye33 --
9. Houston (6-10) - HotCorner --
10. New England - WVRed --
11. Detroit (6-10) - HotCorner --
12. San Francisco (6-10) - Kingspoint --
13. Tennessee (6-10) - Topcat --
14. St. Louis (7-9) - LoganBuck --
15. Miami (7-9) - Sean_Casey Rules --
16. Jacksonville (8-8) - JaxRed --
17. Oakland (8-8) - Slyder --
18. San Diego (9-7) - Buckeye33 --
19. New York Giants (10-6) - Puffy --
20. Tampa Bay (10-6) - Reds44 --
21. Philadelphia* (10-6) - Redlegs212 --
22. Kansas City* (10-6) - WVRed --
23. Indianapolis* (10-6) - Redsfanmia --
24. New Orleans* (11-5) - Buckeye33 --
25. San Diego ( N/A) - Buckeye33 --
26. Baltimore* (12-4) - JaxRed --
27. Atlanta* (13-3) - Mario-Rijo --
28. New England* (14-2) - WVRed --
29. Chicago* (11-5) - Todd Gack --
30. New York Jets* (11-5) - KoryMac5
31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Lockdwn11 --
32. Green Bay* (10-6) - Mutaman --