2011 NFL Draft Discussion Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals 6th round pick:

Ryan Whalen WR Stanford

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profil...len?id=2495245

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic

Bengals 6th round pick:

Ryan Whalen WR Stanford

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profil...len?id=2495245

Don't like this pick, don't even see a need. I would have went RB here or if not I would have looked at Mark Herzlich, Mario Harvey or a TE like Virgil Green.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

With this pick Dave Lapham's prediction was right on.

He said Green
He said QB at 2
He said they were targeting an OLB, and a S.

What is the knock on Sands? I keep seeing nice reports on him, but admittedly I haven't paid close attention to West Virginia Football. He looks like a Strong Safety, is that why he fell? Because he is scheme specific?

It wasn't a tough prediction I pretty much nailed it myself. In fact at one time or another I had Green 1st, Dalton 2nd, Moch 3rd, Boling 4th & Sands 5th. I always had hope certain guys would drop allowing for better value at some spots and at times not sure if they would be available but usually had QB 2nd, OL or OLB 3rd the opposite in the 4th and Safety 5th.

As far as Sands goes he was one of my early favorites. He is a bit stiff and not great in coverage but he is a big, physical SS type with solid speed, hands, character etc. I guess one might say he is like a poor mans Roy Williams but he has enough tools to be decent at some point in zone coverage.

[LoganBuck]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Don't like this pick, don't even see a need. I would have went RB here or if not I would have looked at Mark Herzlich, Mario Harvey or a TE like Virgil Green.

Totally agree. This is a wasted pick. Who would go to make room for this athletically limited guy? Lots of guys left that I would rather take a flyer on. Defensive players with upside potential still on the board, running backs, linebackers, and more safeties. Heck if you wanted a WR, why not look at a couple of the local guys? Dane Sanzenbacher and Armon Binns are still there.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

Totally agree. This is a wasted pick. Who would go to make room for this athletically limited guy? Lots of guys left that I would rather take a flyer on. Defensive players with upside potential still on the board, running backs, linebackers, and more safeties. Heck if you wanted a WR, why not look at a couple of the local guys? Dane Sanzenbacher and Armon Binns are still there.

I have noticed in the past the Bengals have this strange fascination with selecting late round WR's especially when they draft a QB. And they almost always take 2 WR's at a time, Mike Brown is just obsessed with the passing game. Had I went WR I would have went Ricardo Lockette a 6'2 211 pound burner out of Ft. Valley State.

[LoganBuck]

One pick after Whalen the Vikings took Demarcus Love. I would rather seen a big body like him that can play tackle brought in for depth and development.

[LoganBuck]

If anybody catches this Andy Dalton is getting ready to come on the NFL Network coverage.

[WVRed]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Don't like this pick, don't even see a need. I would have went RB here or if not I would have looked at Mark Herzlich, Mario Harvey or a TE like Virgil Green.

I'm not going to complain about a sixth round pick. If he pans out, fine, but second day is generally a crapshoot.

For the most part, I love this draft. Green, Boling, and Sands I believe can be studs if used correctly. I think Dalton is going to be the key for the Bengals and this draft and whether or not he can win.

The sad realization is that the Bengals need a QB who can win in Cincinnati IN SPITE OF Mike Brown. You need a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees type of QB to be successful here, and Palmer was probably the closest thing to that. I don't think Andy Dalton could reach that level, but Andrew Luck is the one who could.

[Razor Shines]

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

I'm very happy with the Colts picks thus far as well.

Me too. I love using the first two picks on O linemen. Improve the running game and protect Manning. Done and done.

[redsfanmia]

Originally Posted by Razor Shines

Me too. I love using the first two picks on O linemen. Improve the running game and protect Manning. Done and done.

I think the Colts did fine with the draft, I trust Polian. I like the bowling ball running back they picked up. I was kind of surprised they picked up guys with character issues though.

[Revering4Blue]

Originally Posted by redsfanmia

I think the Colts did fine with the draft, I trust Polian. I like the bowling ball running back they picked up. I was kind of surprised they picked up guys with character issues though.

I agree. However, I have to admit that I was a little disappointed that they passed on local hero, Tanden Doss in round 4, who would have given the receiving corp a shot in the arm and helped the return game,as well. I was even more disappointed that Doss went to the Ratbirds..Yuck!

From where I'm sitting, they could have taken Doss and gone after someone like John Clay, who wasn't drafted, later to fill the battering-Ram role. But, as you stated, it's difficult to second guess Polian, and the receiving corp should benefit from the return of Clark and Gonzalez.

Still, plenty to smile about.

[Revering4Blue]

Top undrafted players.

GBN 'BIG BOARD':
REMAINING TOP PROSPECTS FOR THE 2011 DRAFT
(* indicates underclassman; (O) indicates off-field issue or (X) injury could cloud draft status)

DeAndre McDaniel FS Clemson
Pat Devlin QB Delaware
Jeron Johnson FS Boise State
Deunta Williams FS North Carolina (X)
Ray Dominquez OT Arkansas
Mark Herzlich LB Boston College (X)
Terrance Tolliver WR LSU
Pierre Allen DE Nebraska
Ian Williams DT Notre Dame
Kris O'Dowd C Southern California (X)
Derrick Locke RB Kentucky
Adrien Moten LB Maryland
Joe Lefeged FS Rutgers
Ricardo Lockette WR Fort Valley State
Cedric Thornton DT Southern Arkansas
Jarriel King OT South Carolina
Ugo Chinasa DE Oklahoma State
Zach Hurd OG UConn
Tim Barnes C Missouri
Josh Byrnes LB Auburn
Brandon Bair DE Oregon (DT)
Martin Parker DT Richmond
Noel Devine RB West Virginia
Ryan Jones CB Northwest Missouri State
Nick Bellore LB Central Michigan
Mario Harvey LB Marshall
Willie Smith OT East Carolina
Scott Lutrus LB UConn
*Jerrard Tarant FS Georgia Tech
*Tori Gurley WR South Carolina
Alex Wujciak LB Maryland
*Weslye Saunders TE South Carolina (O)
*Will Hill FS Florida
Kendric Burney CB North Carolina
Kai Forbath PK UCLA
Terrance Turner WR Indiana
Alex Linnenkohl C Oregon State
Ryan Winterswyck DE Boise State
Orie Lemon LB Oklahoma State
Sealver Silga DT Utah
Henry Hynoski FB Pittsburgh
Kyle Hix OT Texas
Scott Tolzein QB Wisconsin
Ryan Donahue P Iowa
David Sims SS Iowa State
Justin Boren OG Ohio State
Brian Duncan LB Texas Tech
Adam Grant OT Arizona
Ollie Ogbu DT Penn State
Zane Taylor C Utah
Jeremiha Hunter LB Iowa
Mike McNeill TE Nebraska
Andrew Rich SS BYU
Josh Portis QB Californai (PA)
*Darren Evans RB Virginia Tech (X)
Adrian Taylor DT Oklahoma (X)
Josh Jasper PK LSU
Devon Torrence CB Ohio State
Peanut Joseph LB Temple
Mana Silva FS Hawaii
Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M
*DeAndre Brown WR Southern Mississippi
Bryant Browning OG Ohio State
Schuyler Oordt TE Northern Iowa
Quentin Davie LB Northwestern
Mario Fannin RB Auburn
Andre Holmes WR Hillsdale
Derrell Smith LB Syracuse
Dane Sansenbacher WR Ohio State
Chas Henry P Florida
Colby Whitlock DT Texas Tech
Stephen Friday DE Virginia Tech
Charlie Gantt TE Michigan State
*Tom Keiser LB Stanford (DE)
Brandon Saine RB Ohio State
Taylor Potts QB Texas Tech
Zac Etheridge SS Auburn
*John Clay RB Wisconsin
Ryan Colburn QB Fresno State
Ladi Ajiboye DT South Carolina
Josh Davis OT Georgia
Jeff Van Camp QB Florida Atlantic
Nate Williams SS Washington
Anthony Gray DT Southern Missisippi
Marshall Williams WR Wake Forest
Eric Gordon LB Michigan State (SS)

http://www.gbnreport.com/updatedtop100.html

[WMR]

Is this kid going to be able to get the ball down the field in December in Pittsburgh when it's snowing?

AJ Green is an incredible weapon...

Heard a draft guru ripping Dalton's arm strength... You need a strong-armed QB in the AFC North.

[WMR]

I would love to see the Bengals give Derrick Locke a look. If he gets past the injury bug that has plagued him off and on the past couple years, he has Reggie Bush type potential... Low risk high reward move.

[redsfanmia]

Originally Posted by WMR

Is this kid going to be able to get the ball down the field in December in Pittsburgh when it's snowing?

AJ Green is an incredible weapon...

Heard a draft guru ripping Dalton's arm strength... You need a strong-armed QB in the AFC North.

You forgot to mention Daulton's biggest weakness....his red hair. Can you name me one great red headed quarterback?