Cardinals discussion thread

[reds44]

I wonder if he'll fall asleep at a stop sign on the way back to the hotel. Too soon?

[reds44]

http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video-...its-on-umpire/

LOL @ the Cardinals TV broadcast. You want to talk about delusional!

Oh apparently you "never see" Molina get angry! Could have fooled me!

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by reds44

http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video-...its-on-umpire/

LOL @ the Cardinals TV broadcast. You want to talk about delusional!

Oh apparently you "never see" Molina get angry! Could have fooled me!

This is the reason why people in St. Louis can't stand the tv broadcast. KMOX broadcast is far superior.

I have never seen Yadi react that way to an umpires call so that isn't really Yadi's character.

I can understand Yadi's anger because that ball was way inside but he still can't lose his cool and can't bump the umpire. He should be suspended for a couple of games.

There was also some show boating by the umpire but that is a whole different topic.

[reds44]

Molina starts fights with players and umpires a like. Totally in his character now. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by reds44

Molina starts fights with players and umpires a like. Totally in his character now. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.

The only player he "started a fight" with is Phillips because of Phillips comments and Phillips tapping him on his legs two times in a row. Its not like he just goes around and starts fights randomly. Like I said, he never reacted this way to an ump before. It is silly to look at one incident and apply that to his every day character.

[reds44]

But it's not one incident now, it's two. How many do you get?

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by reds44

But it's not one incident now, it's two. How many do you get?

Every player loses his cool. Its nothing new in baseball. Get over it.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Every player loses his cool. Its nothing new in baseball. Get over it.

How can you say something is out of his character when he's shown it to be completely in his character?

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by reds44

How can you say something is out of his character when he's shown it to be completely in his character?

He has never acted like that to an ump before. One incident with an ump does not make one's character. The only thing I can figure is that you are trying to hold all players to the same standards as someone like Stan Musial. That's fine, but I think most players would fail that gold standard.

Let me do the reverse to you. I could easily say that all Brandon Phillips does is instigate fights and say things to aggravate teams. However, I know he is more than that. He is an excellent community guy and is really good with the fans. He is one of the better guys in baseball. It would be stupid to hold one incident against him when he is so much more than what he has shown on that one occasion.

[MikeThierry]

lol here is a link to the post game interview. The quality is a bit bad but you get the idea:

‪Tony Larussa reactions-Cardinals vs Brewers‬‏ - YouTube

[thatcoolguy_22]

Are the Brewers the Card's 2010 Reds? Seems like they start trouble with whoever is leading the division. Stay classy, St. Louis.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

lol here is a link to the post game interview. The quality is a bit bad but you get the idea:

‪Tony Larussa reactions-Cardinals vs Brewers‬‏ - YouTube

Tony is such a freakin' liar.

First he says nothing was intentional, it was just inside. Then he said they were trying to throw a message. Then he said no it was just inside. Then after the reporter mentioned it looked intention, he starts going off on the Brewers for throwing inside.

He was changing his story so many times in that interview I can't keep it straight. Which is it Tony... were you just throwing inside, were you sending a message or were you upset they were throwing in on Pujols? LOL

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

Tony is such a freakin' liar.

First he says nothing was intentional, it was just inside. Then he said they were trying to throw a message. Then he said no it was just inside. Then after the reporter mentioned it looked intention, he starts going off on the Brewers for throwing inside.

He was changing his story so many times in that interview I can't keep it straight. Which is it Tony... were you just throwing inside, were you sending a message or were you upset they were throwing in on Pujols? LOL

Right, he was sending a message because it was inside near Pujols head and hands, which happened yesterday as well. That isn't to say that area is off limits but if the other manager is going to do it, the pitcher better have control hence the "Is the guy Greg Maddox" quote. It has always been TLR's policy that that area be off limits because of the danger it represents and he has sent the other team messages in the past by pitching inside if his player is being pitched like that. This year particularly is of concern because Freese was out two months due to being hit by a ball on the hand and Laird went on the DL as well due to being hit on the hand.

TLR said that he was sending a message by throwing inside to Braun but wasn't trying to hit him. Now, I don't know if you know Motte but he isn't the most accurate pitcher in the world. Still, it was in an area on Braun that if it hit him (which it did), there would be no damage done. If this was baseball 40 years ago, this stuff wouldn't be an issue because the game was policed by the players.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Right, he was sending a message because it was inside near Pujols head and hands, which happened yesterday as well. That isn't to say that area is off limits but if the other manager is going to do it, the pitcher better have control hence the "Is the guy Greg Maddox" quote. It has always been TLR's policy that that area be off limits because of the danger it represents. This year particularly is of concern because Freese was out two months due to being hit by a ball on the hand and Laird went on the DL as well due to being hit on the hand.

TLR said that he was sending a message by throwing inside to Braun but wasn't trying to hit him. Now, I don't know if you know Motte but he isn't the most accurate pitcher in the world. Still, it was in an area on Braun that if it hit him (which it did), there would be no damage done. If this was baseball 40 years ago, this stuff wouldn't be an issue because the game was policed by the players.

If he's so adamant about the danger in it, then why do it? He's a hypocrite. If he's so worried about the danger, he shouldn't be intentionally doing it to someone else. Period.

Tony's not worried about that, though. He's worried about being Tony.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

If he's so adamant about the danger in it, then why do it? He's a hypocrite. If he's so worried about the danger, he shouldn't be intentionally doing it to someone else. Period.

Tony's not worried about that, though. He's worried about being Tony.

Motte did not pitch near Braun's head. That is the issue. TLR doesn't even have a problem with pitching inside. Its the head and hand area that he has a problem with. Pujols was almost hit in the head tonight and when he moved out of the way it hit his hand. Think about it, if Votto was almost hit in the head by a ball, don't you think Baker would send a message to the other side the next inning?

Again, the ball that Motte threw was inside in the midsection of Braun and there was no danger of that ball breaking his hands or hitting him in the head.

It should also be noted that when Cardinals pitchers are first associated with TLR, one of the first rules he puts out there to his pitchers is never intentionally pitch toward a guys head. I have heard that TLR has this policy from several different pitchers and ex-pitchers that pitched under TLR.