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Old 08-06-2011, 09:15 PM   #1
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2012 team

I'd try to do the votto/bautista trade
also id try to move stubbs if ppl think dave s can do the job. (no clue on this guy but he seems to be a better hitter than stubbs)

my batting order

dave s
brandon p
bautista
alonzo
bruce/devin m
devin m/bruce
rolen/fransico
cozart

how do ppl feel with this lineup? to me it seems legit
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:26 PM   #2
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I'd try to do the votto/bautista trade
also id try to move stubbs if ppl think dave s can do the job. (no clue on this guy but he seems to be a better hitter than stubbs)

my batting order

dave s
brandon p
bautista
alonzo
bruce/devin m
devin m/bruce
rolen/fransico
cozart

how do ppl feel with this lineup? to me it seems legit
puts a lot of faith & pressure on very young guys -- Alonso - Mesocaro & Bruce (who has had chances)

will still need a pitching staff & a manager that is not sleep walking
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:29 PM   #3
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puts a lot of faith & pressure on very young guys -- Alonso - Mesocaro & Bruce (who has had chances)

will still need a pitching staff & a manager that is not sleep walking
true true but i just think its dumb signing old guys that cant play
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:56 AM   #4
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I'd try to do the votto/bautista trade
also id try to move stubbs if ppl think dave s can do the job. (no clue on this guy but he seems to be a better hitter than stubbs)

my batting order

dave s
brandon p
bautista
alonzo
bruce/devin m
devin m/bruce
rolen/fransico
cozart

how do ppl feel with this lineup? to me it seems legit
Great minds think alike. I just posted nearly the same comment on the "Bad News Bears" thread. Except I hope Rolen retires.

I'd also trade Stubbs for pitching, which I stated on the other thread.

If the Reds weren't so small market and cheap, I'd be willing to trade Stubbs and Bruce to the Dodgers and try and get Kemp. Adding Kemp along with obtaining Bautista would make the Reds offense one of the most dangerous in the NL.

CF Sappelt
2B Phillips
1B Alonso
LF Bautista
RF Kemp
3B Francisco/Frazier
SS Cozart
C Hanigan/Mesoraco

Reds would have traded away Votto, Bruce, and Stubbs.........and rebuilt an entire new 3, 4, 5 part of the lineup and gone with Sappelt at leadoff in lieu of Stubbs. Quite a change, but I'd do it if the Reds had the $$$ to do it. It adds 5 players to the lineup at league minimum in Sappelt, Alonso, Francisco/Frazier, Cozart, and Mesoraco.

Improve the starting pitching and that lineup makes the postseason. No doubt about it.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:39 PM   #5
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Re: 2012 team

Realistically

Sappelt 7
Cozart 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Frazier 5
Stubbs 8
Hanigan/Mes 2
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:26 PM   #6
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oops. wrong thread. nevermind
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:29 PM   #7
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Re: 2012 team

I'd only trade Votto if they if they bring in another big bat AND you resign Brandon Phillips. In which case I'd do whatever it takes to bring in Matt Kemp in left. I'm guessing Stubbs would be part of that deal.

Sappelt cf
Phillips 2nd
Kemp lf
Bautista 3rd
Alonso 1rst
Bruce rf
Cozart ss
Mez c
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:35 PM   #8
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Re: 2012 team

Not exactly what i would personally put out there, but realistically i think it will look along the lines of:

Sappelt LF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Mesoraco C
Cozart SS
Stubbs CF
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:38 PM   #9
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Sappelt 7
Cozart 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Frazier 5
Stubbs 8
Hanigan/Mes 2
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:39 PM   #10
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Sappelt 7
Cozart 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Frazier 5
Stubbs 8
Hanigan/Mes 2
ive never seen mes play but if he's such a good hitter why would he bat 8th?
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:43 PM   #11
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Doesn't every Dusty order have to have CF/SS as the top 2 spots?
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:46 PM   #12
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Doesn't every Dusty order have to have CF/SS as the top 2 spots?
it does but does not mean it has to
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:57 PM   #13
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I don't think Castilini lets Votto get traded. He is the Reds' first homegrown Superstar since Larkin... and the first since Junior. He stays in Cincy... and Castilini will open up the pocketbook to keep him once the contract expires.

That being said, here is how I see the lineup next year:

1. Stubbs CF: I think he finally puts it all together and can bat leadoff.
2. Cozart/Janish SS
3. Votto 1B
4. Phillips 2B
5. Bruce RF
6. Yonder/Sappelt LF
7. Rolen/Frazier 3B
8. Hanny/Puxatonany Mes

Rotation:

1. Cueto
2. Leake
3. Homer
4. Arroyo
5. (Chapman), Willis, Wood, LeCure.

Pen:

Closer: Billy Bray/Chappy
Masset
Logan
Horst
Lecure/Maloney
Boxberger
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:01 PM   #14
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I don't think Castilini lets Votto get traded. He is the Reds' first homegrown Superstar since Larkin... and the first since Junior. He stays in Cincy... and Castilini will open up the pocketbook to keep him once the contract expires.

That being said, here is how I see the lineup next year:

1. Stubbs CF: I think he finally puts it all together and can bat leadoff.
2. Cozart/Janish SS
3. Votto 1B
4. Phillips 2B
5. Bruce RF
6. Yonder/Sappelt LF
7. Rolen/Frazier 3B
8. Hanny/Puxatonany Mes

Rotation:

1. Cueto
2. Leake
3. Homer
4. Arroyo
5. (Chapman), Willis, Wood, LeCure.

Pen:

Closer: Billy Bray/Chappy
Masset
Logan
Horst
Lecure/Maloney
Boxberger
In other words, 2012 is going to look like 2011. Yikes.

If Phillips is batting cleanup again, kiss next season goodbye.
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In other words, 2012 is going to look like 2011. Yikes.

If Phillips is batting cleanup again, kiss next season goodbye.
no way bp bats 4th
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