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Scrap Irony · 09-07-2011, 06:43 PM

In Valaika, Francisco, Frazier, Alonso, Cozart, and Sappelt, the Red rookies stat line: 280/319/446/765.

Above average for the league as a whole. That's a 110 OPS+, for those of you scoring at home. (Or for those that are alone.)

WebScorpion · 09-07-2011, 09:14 PM

Well, they can certainly hit. Alonso doesn't really have a position, though as a hitter, he's the one I'd like to keep the most. He's going to be an incredible hitter as he matures...I think he'll be better than Votto as a hitter. I love Cozart...I think he is what we hoped Janish would grow into. A little less arm is a small price to pay for a guy who can get on base consistently. I see Valaika, Frazier, and Sappelt as role players, but all three are excellent and a solid bench is an integral part of a championship team. Francisco is the one that drives me crazy. I like what I've seen from him defensively so far, but I'm not too thrilled with him at the plate. He seems to feast on bad pitchers, but good pitchers get him out consistently. He swings at some ridiculous stuff...when he connects he really puts a charge into the ball. Reminds me of Wily Mo Pena a bit. All in all, a very good crop for 2011.

I just realized, you forgot Mesoraco!

All around, I think he's the best of the bunch. These guys are going to be fun to watch for years to come.

Scrap Irony · 09-07-2011, 09:26 PM

Alonso a better hitter than Votto?

Votto is the best hitter in the National League and one of the top two or three in the game right now. There's little chance Alonso is better. Even if he's close (a 900 OPS), the Reds should keep him and play him in LF, defense be darned, and watch the offense score 35+ more runs in the season.

bucksfan2 · 09-07-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Votto is the best hitter in the National League and one of the top two or three in the game right now. There's little chance Alonso is better. Even if he's close (a 900 OPS), the Reds should keep him and play him in LF, defense be darned, and watch the offense score 35+ more runs in the season.

As of right now I am willing to roll with Alonso out in LF. He won't ever be a world beater but he will continue to improve out there. He seems to be a guy who works hard at his craft and may be a guy who learns enough "tricks" in order to play a passable LF.

IMO you need to get his bat in the lineup as well as Mesoraco's. I would focus my entire off season on acquiring James Shields. I would be willing to roll the dice with Yonder in LF, Cozart at SS, and would look to sign a vet to backup Cozart at SS.

WebScorpion · 09-08-2011, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Alonso a better hitter than Votto?

Votto is the best hitter in the National League and one of the top two or three in the game right now. There's little chance Alonso is better. Even if he's close (a 900 OPS), the Reds should keep him and play him in LF, defense be darned, and watch the offense score 35+ more runs in the season.

I said "WILL BE", not "is"... I also said "hitter", not player... Alonso has the same kind of world class batting eye, but he has more power than Joey. I can envision him getting better at the plate and becoming Joey Votto with more power. I can also envision him failing to make quick adjustments and becoming streaky like Jay Bruce, but I don't think that's what will happen. What I didn't mention is that I don't think any amount of work will make him the same kind of fielder, baserunner, or leader that Joey is...he may outhit Joey some day, but I don't think he'll ever outplay him.

BTW, I just checked and Alonso's current OPS is 1148 and Joey is at 970, so although it's the infamous SSS, it's not as unfathomable as you're making it out to be.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd really like to keep Alonso if at all possible because I think he's the kind of hitter that doesn't come around too often. The only way I'd trade him is if I got a similar hitter from the right side who could fill (LF, 3B, SS) one of our needs, or a front line starter. That's just my

IslandRed · 09-08-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bucksfan2

IMO you need to get his bat in the lineup as well as Mesoraco's. I would focus my entire off season on acquiring James Shields. I would be willing to roll the dice with Yonder in LF, Cozart at SS, and would look to sign a vet to backup Cozart at SS.

Unfortunately, Alonso's probably a must piece in any conceivable deal for Shields... if there is a conceivable deal. But we've already had that thread, I guess.

Tom Servo · 09-08-2011, 05:14 PM

Gotta figure out who fits in what spots and who gets traded for pitching.

09-07-2011, 06:43 PM	#1
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Red Rookies In Valaika, Francisco, Frazier, Alonso, Cozart, and Sappelt, the Red rookies stat line: 280/319/446/765. Above average for the league as a whole. That's a 110 OPS+, for those of you scoring at home. (Or for those that are alone.) __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

09-07-2011, 09:14 PM	#2
WebScorpion SERP deep cover ops Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: In the Ether Posts: 5,367	Re: Red Rookies Well, they can certainly hit. Alonso doesn't really have a position, though as a hitter, he's the one I'd like to keep the most. He's going to be an incredible hitter as he matures...I think he'll be better than Votto as a hitter. I love Cozart...I think he is what we hoped Janish would grow into. A little less arm is a small price to pay for a guy who can get on base consistently. I see Valaika, Frazier, and Sappelt as role players, but all three are excellent and a solid bench is an integral part of a championship team. Francisco is the one that drives me crazy. I like what I've seen from him defensively so far, but I'm not too thrilled with him at the plate. He seems to feast on bad pitchers, but good pitchers get him out consistently. He swings at some ridiculous stuff...when he connects he really puts a charge into the ball. Reminds me of Wily Mo Pena a bit. All in all, a very good crop for 2011. I just realized, you forgot Mesoraco! All around, I think he's the best of the bunch. These guys are going to be fun to watch for years to come. __________________ "It doesn't get any better than this," --Marty Brennaman Last edited by WebScorpion; 09-07-2011 at 09:16 PM.

09-07-2011, 09:26 PM	#3
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Red Rookies Alonso a better hitter than Votto? Votto is the best hitter in the National League and one of the top two or three in the game right now. There's little chance Alonso is better. Even if he's close (a 900 OPS), the Reds should keep him and play him in LF, defense be darned, and watch the offense score 35+ more runs in the season. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

09-08-2011, 05:14 PM	#7
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,599	Re: Red Rookies Gotta figure out who fits in what spots and who gets traded for pitching. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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