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Join Date: Sep 2001
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Phillips returning.
Per MLB Trade Rumors
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: Phillips returning.
Well, that's good. [/Forrest Gump voice]
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Join Date: May 2000
Location: The Bush Leagues
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Re: Phillips returning.
Two plus a club option third? Would BP go for that?
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Re: Phillips returning.
That would be an ideal bridge to Hamilton/Torreyes.
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Re: Phillips returning.
I'm in for scrapping the 2012 contract and signing a 5/55 or 4/48 or 3/40. However, I often wish teams would FRONTLOAD their contracts to make sure they don't overpay an old guy. I don't think he'll age poorly. He's already lost a step on the bases and just put up a great year. He'll always hit .275 and play GG defense. He keeps in great shape, plays hurt, never had a drop of alcohol, and produces when healthy. This, I think, is the first year he's been fully healthy in 3-4 years. He hits up and down the lineup.
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston, Texas
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Re: Phillips returning.
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Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Olathe, KS
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Re: Phillips returning.
He plays Gold Glove defense in that he's very flashy and can make incredible plays. However, his dWAR is usually right around 0.
And he has said he won't give the Reds any kind of discount.
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Join Date: May 2000
Location: Woodbridge, VA
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Re: Phillips returning.
Me too. I wonder why clubs don't pursue this concept more. Having lower salaries later in contracts would enable much greater roster flexibility.
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Phillips returning.
Clearly you are not using Fangraphs' WAR. Only Chase Utley has been better at 2B over the past five years at 2B than BP has using Fangraphs UZR, which is used to compute WAR.
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Join Date: May 2000
Location: The Bush Leagues
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Re: Phillips returning.
Because GM's don't know if they'll be around in five years.
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Back in Florida
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Re: Phillips returning.
Players who were outperforming their contracts would always want to renegotiate.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Re: Phillips returning.
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Why pay big bucks now for a guy to be a centerpiece on a contender right now if it means you don't have the money to give him the supporting cast necessary to compete? |
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Five Tool Fool
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: Phillips returning.
That Phillips will be a Red in 2012 is not news at all. it was all but a given. The real news will be whether an extension gets worked out or not.
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I'm back... and forth
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Phillips returning.
I'll be pretty disappointed/confused if the Reds don't extend Phillips, yet don't make any other moves in the offseason to "go for it" in 2012.
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What Me Worry?
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Bellefontaine, Ohio
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Re: Phillips returning.
While I think (hope) they rework his contract and sign him multiple years, I have to laugh at Phillips, or any ballplayer, who thinks it's a "slap in the face" to exercise an option that pays them $12M/year... even if it's only for one year. Give me a break!
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