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Benihana · 09-30-2011, 08:09 AM

Here's an interesting name no one has brought up to date. A mega prospect who had a tremendously disappointing season, Buster Olney suggests in his latest column that there is sentiment within the zbraves organization to deal him in the offseason.

Not sure if these two teams matchup, as the Braves already have a CF, a young 1B and an All-Star catcher, but it could be a tremendous buy-low opportunity for the Reds that would fix the LF/middle-of-the-order bat cheaply and for years to come.

Would you do Chapman straight up for Heyward?

If not, The Braves really liked Stephenson in the draft. Maybe start with him as a PTBNL and add Heisey, Frazier as an heir to Chipper and Barnhart as an heir to McCann?

marcshoe · 09-30-2011, 08:15 AM

This would be absolutely the wrong time for the Braves to deal Heyward. Good grief, he's what, 22? My first thought would be to offer a package centered around Grandal, but the Braves' fan base isn't known for its patience, so I wonder if something with lesser major league talent would suffice.

Tom Servo · 09-30-2011, 08:20 AM

The zbraves would be incredibly foolish to trade him after a sophomore slump.

Benihana · 09-30-2011, 08:24 AM

Totally agree that it would be supremely foolish of the Braves to trade him Now, which is precisely why I'd like to see the Reds involved in such discussions if they do take place.

lollipopcurve · 09-30-2011, 08:26 AM

You have to wonder why the Braves would consider it. Red flag, IMO.

bucksfan2 · 09-30-2011, 08:31 AM

I know Hewyard had some criticism directed to him from the likes of Chipper this season. I also wonder if his swing and offensive game haven't been exposed. I don't really remember his swing but isn't it pretty long?

Benihana · 09-30-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

You have to wonder why the Braves would consider it. Red flag, IMO.

People said the same thing about Alex Gordon in April.

Adrian Gonzalez was traded twice before he was 24. Ditto for Carlos Pena.

lollipopcurve · 09-30-2011, 08:58 AM

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People said the same thing about Alex Gordon in April.

Well, I was definitely skeptical about Gordon, based on his track record. But I was also definitely wrong. Heyward is a different case. The issue appears to be that he's soft (Chipper Jones has criticized him for not playing hurt).

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Adrian Gonzalez was traded twice before he was 24. Ditto for Carlos Pena.

Yep. Braves, if they trade him, could be making a monumental mistake. Will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. I don't see the Braves as a natural trading partner for the Reds, though. Braves have a CF, 1B and plenty of pitching.

Benihana · 09-30-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

Well, I was definitely skeptical about Gordon, based on his track record. But I was also definitely wrong. Heyward is a different case. The issue appears to be that he's soft (Chipper Jones has criticized him for not playing hurt).

Yep. Braves, if they trade him, could be making a monumental mistake. Will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. I don't see the Braves as a natural trading partner for the Reds, though. Braves have a CF, 1B and plenty of pitching.

Agreed they are not the most natural trading partner for the Reds, as their biggest needs seem to be the similar: SS/3B/LF.

A three-team deal could make sense here, but those are way too hard to predict.

Also remember that this is the same team that traded Yunel Escobar because he didn't fit in. Time to be opportunistic Walt.

Nasty_Boy · 09-30-2011, 09:10 AM

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Heyward is a different case. The issue appears to be that he's soft (Chipper Jones has criticized him for not playing hurt).

I think at 22 that is very forgivable... Just because the guy is built like a man and is a professional athlete doesn't mean he is a man or a professional. I know how much I changed mentally from 22-25 and from 25-30. He's kind of learning on the fly. I think what Chipper said should have a positive effect(tought love) on him, but who knows if it created a rift between the two.

If the Braves are looking at moving Heyward now, I think its the perfect time to go after him... But as mentioned earlier in the thread, the Braves have players in the positions that the Reds have the most top end talent. He's definately worth looking into if he's really on the trading block.

Guacarock · 09-30-2011, 09:47 AM

We're probably not a good match as the Braves are supposedly hoping to land a young SS, if they do trade Heyward. But he would still be a prime catch, so it wouldn't hurt to dangle other pieces (Grandal, Heisey, etc.) to see if and how Atlanta responds.

I wouldn't offer Stephenson. Braves might covet him, but we ought to for the same reasons, and aren't exactly awash in decent SP prospects.

Patrick Bateman · 09-30-2011, 10:47 AM

He reminds me as an overall player a lot like Jay Bruce, and the criticisms already seem similar.

If you could get him for a fair market value return, he would be a perfect fir for the organization IMO.

Reds/Flyers Fan · 09-30-2011, 12:21 PM

I don't trust the Braves and wouldn't buy anything they're selling.

They don't often make player evaluation mistakes.

Tom Servo · 09-30-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan

I don't trust the Braves and wouldn't buy anything they're selling.

They don't often make player evaluation mistakes.

They gave away Yunel Escobar to the Blue Jays just last year.

PuffyPig · 09-30-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan

I don't trust the Braves and wouldn't buy anything they're selling.

They don't often make player evaluation mistakes.

They are looking for a SS.

Perhaps they should trade him to Toronto for Escobar, who's a near .800 OPS, great fielding SS, signed to a reasonable long term contract.

09-30-2011, 08:09 AM	#1
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,406	Jason Heyward Here's an interesting name no one has brought up to date. A mega prospect who had a tremendously disappointing season, Buster Olney suggests in his latest column that there is sentiment within the zbraves organization to deal him in the offseason. Not sure if these two teams matchup, as the Braves already have a CF, a young 1B and an All-Star catcher, but it could be a tremendous buy-low opportunity for the Reds that would fix the LF/middle-of-the-order bat cheaply and for years to come. Would you do Chapman straight up for Heyward? If not, The Braves really liked Stephenson in the draft. Maybe start with him as a PTBNL and add Heisey, Frazier as an heir to Chipper and Barnhart as an heir to McCann? __________________ Go BLUE!!!

09-30-2011, 08:15 AM	#2
marcshoe Ex-tixe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Just past Mars Posts: 4,466	Re: Jason Heyward This would be absolutely the wrong time for the Braves to deal Heyward. Good grief, he's what, 22? My first thought would be to offer a package centered around Grandal, but the Braves' fan base isn't known for its patience, so I wonder if something with lesser major league talent would suffice.

09-30-2011, 08:20 AM	#3
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,385	Re: Jason Heyward The zbraves would be incredibly foolish to trade him after a sophomore slump. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-30-2011, 08:24 AM	#4
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,406	Re: Jason Heyward Totally agree that it would be supremely foolish of the Braves to trade him Now, which is precisely why I'd like to see the Reds involved in such discussions if they do take place. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

09-30-2011, 08:26 AM	#5
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,477	Re: Jason Heyward You have to wonder why the Braves would consider it. Red flag, IMO. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

09-30-2011, 08:31 AM	#6
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,610	Re: Jason Heyward I know Hewyard had some criticism directed to him from the likes of Chipper this season. I also wonder if his swing and offensive game haven't been exposed. I don't really remember his swing but isn't it pretty long?

09-30-2011, 09:47 AM	#11
Guacarock SSG, Red Army Choir Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico Posts: 1,119	Re: Jason Heyward We're probably not a good match as the Braves are supposedly hoping to land a young SS, if they do trade Heyward. But he would still be a prime catch, so it wouldn't hurt to dangle other pieces (Grandal, Heisey, etc.) to see if and how Atlanta responds. I wouldn't offer Stephenson. Braves might covet him, but we ought to for the same reasons, and aren't exactly awash in decent SP prospects.

09-30-2011, 10:47 AM	#12
Patrick Bateman One and a half men Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 5,450	Re: Jason Heyward He reminds me as an overall player a lot like Jay Bruce, and the criticisms already seem similar. If you could get him for a fair market value return, he would be a perfect fir for the organization IMO.

09-30-2011, 12:21 PM	#13
Reds/Flyers Fan Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cincinnati USA Posts: 3,319	Re: Jason Heyward I don't trust the Braves and wouldn't buy anything they're selling. They don't often make player evaluation mistakes.

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