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LoganBuck · 09-30-2011, 02:56 PM

I don't like the risk of Heyward. The Braves are going to ask for something good in return. He has a bum shoulder. While Benihana says that people said the same thing about Alex Gordon, I would say that people said the same things about Austin Kearns.

Sure I would take a flyer on him if the price is right. But to pay top dollar in terms of talent? No thanks.

osuceltic · 09-30-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

They are looking for a SS.

Perhaps they should trade him to Toronto for Escobar, who's a near .800 OPS, great fielding SS, signed to a reasonable long term contract.

I don't get the sense that anyone in Atlanta is missing Escobar.

Cedric · 09-30-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by osuceltic

I don't get the sense that anyone in Atlanta is missing Escobar.

They sure as hell should be.

osuceltic · 09-30-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cedric

They sure as hell should be.

I think they had seen enough. They didn't trade him for lack of talent. Maybe he needed to be traded to get his act together. Who knows? But no one had a better look at him than Atlanta. No one knew him better.

Scrap Irony · 09-30-2011, 03:21 PM

I'd deal Cozart and Heisey for him and count myself lucky. Very lucky.

IslandRed · 09-30-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan

I don't trust the Braves and wouldn't buy anything they're selling.

They don't often make player evaluation mistakes.

Not the same "they" in Atlanta these days.

lollipopcurve · 09-30-2011, 03:51 PM

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He has a bum shoulder.

Bad for pitchers, bad for hitters too.

MikeThierry · 09-30-2011, 10:02 PM

Does anyone think that Heyward's swing has a huge flaw in it? I just look at him swing at times and it looks like there are some holes in it. Not saying he can't fix it but it could be a reason why the Braves are willing to move him.

15fan · 09-30-2011, 10:16 PM

Jason Heyward is the 2nd coming of Jeff Francouer. Not interested.

And the Braves absolutely had to get rid of Yunel Escobar. The last guy I remember in the local clubhouse who was as unpopular as Escobar was John Rocker at his zenith.

Bobby Cox basically had 2 rules: (1) bust your butt, and (2) don't be a horse's rear end.
Escobar repeatedly failed on both fronts.

dougdirt · 09-30-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 15fan

Jason Heyward is the 2nd coming of Jeff Francouer. Not interested.

If by that you are implying he won't live up to the hype, I guess you could say that. But as a hitter they couldn't be anymore different. Francouer has terrible plate discipline, wanting to hit anything you throw to the plate. Heyward is a pretty patient hitter.

Brutus · 09-30-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

If by that you are implying he won't live up to the hype, I guess you could say that. But as a hitter they couldn't be anymore different. Francouer has terrible plate discipline, wanting to hit anything you throw to the plate. Heyward is a pretty patient hitter.

Agreed. He has a 13% walk rate thus far in his career. Definitely not Jeff Francouer.

While Heyward's walk rate fell a little this year, probably because teams were able to pitch to him a bit more often, really the biggest difference in his numbers came from BABIP thanks to a low LD%. Most of the rest of his peripherals (ISO, K%, etc.) held pretty steady.

My hunch is that Hewyard will bounce back next year and have a solid year. Perhaps not quite to the high expectations for him, but still pretty good.

dougdirt · 09-30-2011, 10:56 PM

Agreed Brutus, his IFFB rate was incredibly high this season. He will be fine moving forward assuming he is healthy and doesn't completely get away from his approach.

gilpdawg · 09-30-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

I'd deal Cozart and Heisey for him and count myself lucky. Very lucky.

You would. So would I. They wouldn't.

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cincrazy · 09-30-2011, 11:35 PM

The guy is incredibly skilled, and very young. It's silly to expect him not to have any hiccups. I don't buy that they're really shopping him. I think it's more of a ploy by them to give him a wake up call.

Ghosts of 1990 · 10-01-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bucksfan2

I know Hewyard had some criticism directed to him from the likes of Chipper this season. I also wonder if his swing and offensive game haven't been exposed. I don't really remember his swing but isn't it pretty long?

When he was hitting, it was a 'lightning quick head of the bat through the zone' and comparisons to Willie McCovey. Now that he's struggled a year, yes his swing is too long.

Atlanta won't sell low on him. That is what gets people fired forever in baseball. He'll be fine.

09-30-2011, 02:56 PM	#16
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,584	Re: Jason Heyward I don't like the risk of Heyward. The Braves are going to ask for something good in return. He has a bum shoulder. While Benihana says that people said the same thing about Alex Gordon, I would say that people said the same things about Austin Kearns. Sure I would take a flyer on him if the price is right. But to pay top dollar in terms of talent? No thanks. __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor

09-30-2011, 03:21 PM	#20
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Jason Heyward I'd deal Cozart and Heisey for him and count myself lucky. Very lucky. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

09-30-2011, 10:02 PM	#23
MikeThierry Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis, Mo Posts: 3,135	Re: Jason Heyward Does anyone think that Heyward's swing has a huge flaw in it? I just look at him swing at times and it looks like there are some holes in it. Not saying he can't fix it but it could be a reason why the Braves are willing to move him. __________________ “Our next home stand follows this road trip.” “I just want to tell everyone Happy Easter and Happy Hanukkah.” says on the day before Easter Mike Shannon

09-30-2011, 10:16 PM	#24
15fan Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,465	Re: Jason Heyward Jason Heyward is the 2nd coming of Jeff Francouer. Not interested. And the Braves absolutely had to get rid of Yunel Escobar. The last guy I remember in the local clubhouse who was as unpopular as Escobar was John Rocker at his zenith. Bobby Cox basically had 2 rules: (1) bust your butt, and (2) don't be a horse's rear end. Escobar repeatedly failed on both fronts.

09-30-2011, 10:56 PM	#27
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,742	Re: Jason Heyward Agreed Brutus, his IFFB rate was incredibly high this season. He will be fine moving forward assuming he is healthy and doesn't completely get away from his approach. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

09-30-2011, 11:35 PM	#29
cincrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Vienna, OH Posts: 4,135	Re: Jason Heyward The guy is incredibly skilled, and very young. It's silly to expect him not to have any hiccups. I don't buy that they're really shopping him. I think it's more of a ploy by them to give him a wake up call.

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