Mike Matheny is new Cardinals manager

[UKFlounder]

per twitter, Scott Miller of CBS Sports

ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller
Mike Matheny new manager of St. Louis Cardinals. Done deal. Club has announced it

http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports....70335/33290327

[757690]

I really like this move for the Cardinals. Catch-22 was considered a team leader when he played, and many people believed he would be an MLB manager someday. My Cardinal friends were all rooting for him. I'd wish him good luck, if he was named the manager of any team other than the Cards.

[MattyHo4Life]

This is the best news I've heard so far this off-season.

[Always Red]

This reeks of "keep Dave Duncan on board" to me.

Cheap, young, no experience. But tight with Duncan.

[MattyHo4Life]

Originally Posted by Always Red

This reeks of "keep Dave Duncan on board" to me.

Cheap, young, no experience. But tight with Duncan.

Well...if they were going to make a move to keep someone on board, then Oquendo probably would have been the choice since he is Pujols' friend.

[MikeThierry]

The Cards are taking a huge gamble not hiring someone with any coaching experience. I guess it could be a good move but I'm luke warm on the move. He is a smart baseball guy and a well respected player from his time with the Cards so that could be a plus. The team is also a good team so its not like he is going to struggle through a rebuilding franchise like many first time managers do. Still, time will tell on this. I'll give him the benefit of doubt but still puzzled why Francona didn't get the job.

This reeks of "keep Dave Duncan on board" to me.

Duncan had a year left on his contract so I don't see how this is an issue that you bring up.

[757690]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

The Cards are taking a huge gamble not hiring someone with any coaching experience. I guess it could be a good move but I'm luke warm on the move. He is a smart baseball guy and a well respected player from his time with the Cards so that could be a plus. The team is also a good team so its not like he is going to struggle through a rebuilding franchise like many first time managers do. Still, time will tell on this. I'll give him the benefit of doubt but still puzzled why Francona didn't get the job.



Duncan had a year left on his contract so I don't see how this is an issue that you bring up.

One year contracts don't mean much for pitching coaches. I think if Francona was named manager, he would want to bring in his own guys for the whole staff.

[RedsManRick]

So, does Oquendo stay around? Gotta be tough for him after putting in his dues for so long with the organizaiton.

I've read that Pujols' relationship with Oquendo was a big factor in his staying in St. Louis.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

So, does Oquendo stay around? Gotta be tough for him after putting in his dues for so long with the organizaiton.

I've read that Pujols' relationship with Oquendo was a big factor in his staying in St. Louis.

Matheny and Pujols were pretty good friends as well. In fact, just a couple of weeks after this season was finished, Pujols went to the DR to help Matheny do some stuff with a youth baseball team or something.

One year contracts don't mean much for pitching coaches. I think if Francona was named manager, he would want to bring in his own guys for the whole staff.

Reading different reports, he wasn't really married to a pitching coach. Besides, why would he not want Duncan's services? If a coach is coming in and wanting to replace arguably the best pitching coach in the history of the game, that alone would have been grounds not to hire him.

[MikeThierry]

The other positive thing, if you are a Reds fan, is that you won't have to see the mind games that TLR put everyone through. Matheny was a well respected person and one of the good guys in the game when he played. I get a sense that the Cards wanted to get away from the uber-micromanaging/psychological mind games management they had for 16 years and move towards a guy that can not only manage on the field but give good PR as well.

[kaldaniels]

I hope he brings a culture change to the STL clubhouse. And of course I say that as a Reds fan. As a Cards fan, Tony L did produce results, you gotta admit.

[MikeThierry]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

I hope he brings a culture change to the STL clubhouse. And of course I say that as a Reds fan. As a Cards fan, Tony L did produce results, you gotta admit.

Kal, I can certainly understand why TLR annoyed so many people. However, he was one of those guys that you hate but love to have on your team. I liked the fact that TLR tried to give the Cards an edge on every single opportunity that came his way. I appreciated that if he felt there was a just a chance his team would perform just 1% better because of the antics he pulled, he didn't mind taking heat for it.

[757690]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Reading different reports, he wasn't really married to a pitching coach. Besides, why would he not want Duncan's services? If a coach is coming in and wanting to replace arguably the best pitching coach in the history of the game, that alone would have been grounds not to hire him.

If the Cards wanted Francona and he wanted to bring in a new staff including a new pitching coach, and that was the reason why he wasn't hired, the Cardinals are the dumbest organization I have ever experienced, and I experienced both the Dick Wagner and Dan O'Brien Reds era's.

[camisadelgolf]

I've met Matheny a couple times, and I think he's a great fit. I also like that he'll wear number 22, which might hurt the odds of the Cards' re-signing Edwin Jackson by the smallest factor. Every little bit counts, right?

[camisadelgolf]

Originally Posted by MikeThierry

Kal, I can certainly understand why TLR annoyed so many people. However, he was one of those guys that you hate but love to have on your team. I liked the fact that TLR tried to give the Cards an edge on every single opportunity that came his way. I appreciated that if he felt there was a just a chance his team would perform just 1% better because of the antics he pulled, he didn't mind taking heat for it.

In Cincinnati, we're stuck with pretty much the opposite in Dusty Baker, whose on-field decisions are often questionable (albeit probably not as bad as his critics make them out to be). I would welcome a change to a micromanaging style with open arms. The only reason I ever gripe about TLR and wouldn't want him on my favorite team is due to his petty excuses and accusations of opponents cheating (which is extremely ironic when you consider the players he had under his lead).