Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Blitz Dorsey · 12-23-2011, 02:11 PM

Unless I'm missing something, it looks like the Reds will re-sign Coco at a relatively cheap rate (maybe 1-year, $5 million) or make a big splash and sign the best FA closer left on the market, Ryan Madson.

There are other options out there like Brad Lidge, but I bet the Reds either re-sign Cordero or use the money they have left to sign Madson. One big key is whether there are other teams actively looking for a closer. How many competitors do the Reds have on the open market? It feels like a buyer's market and the Reds should end up getting a decent bargain, but I could be wrong.

reds44 · 12-23-2011, 02:45 PM

You have to think Cordero is going to come back. Seems inevitable at this point.

savafan · 12-23-2011, 04:50 PM

Boston is the only other team looking for a closer (until or if someone gets injured before opening day). I'd love to see Walt get Madson, I just fear that Cordero is bound to regress due to age very soon, and when it happens, it's going to be Danny Graves meltdown bad.

RedlegJake · 12-23-2011, 04:55 PM

I don't mind a Cordero return as long as it's one year. Anything more I fear is hanging an anchor on the bullpen

JaxRed · 12-23-2011, 04:57 PM

My problem with Cordereo was the mostly the salary. Have him at 4 million on 1 year deal and I'm ok with that.

nate · 12-23-2011, 05:20 PM

Cordero's meltdown has already occurred. It just hasn't showed up in his ERA due to an unsustainable BABIP and small sample size.

I'd let someone else blaze that trail.

jojo · 12-23-2011, 06:28 PM

Really not a fan of more Cordero.

Will M · 12-23-2011, 07:01 PM

neither. Madson costs too much. Cordero's 2011 was a mirage.

I think Heisey is a fine 4th outfielder. Heisey/Frazier just doesn't look good for left field for me. I think those guys both have their uses but we need more in left. So I'd rather Walt fixed LF first. Right now Marshall or Chapman could close just as good or better than any free agent except Madson.

Will M · 12-23-2011, 07:02 PM

plus if anyone but us signs Cordero we get a sandwich pick, We will need it after losing 6 (!) prospects this week.

Ron Madden · 12-23-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Will M

neither. Madson costs too much. Cordero's 2011 was a mirage.

I'm in full agreement with this.

Blitz Dorsey · 12-23-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Will M

plus if anyone but us signs Cordero we get a sandwich pick, We will need it after losing 6 (!) prospects this week.

We offered arbitration? Or did we not have to?

I hear you on Coco. Not a big fan and I'm convinced he's near the end of the road. His K rate has dropped significantly which is a glaring red flag IMO. However, one year at a "discounted" rate might be what ends up happening. I didn't realize the Reds got a draft pick if another team signed Coco though. (If true.)

PuffyPig · 12-23-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey

We offered arbitration? Or did we not have to?

I hear you on Coco. Not a big fan and I'm convinced he's near the end of the road. His K rate has dropped significantly which is a glaring red flag IMO. However, one year at a "discounted" rate might be what ends up happening. I didn't realize the Reds got a draft pick if another team signed Coco though. (If true.)

We get a draft pick regardless of the arbitration issue. We did n ot offer, but get it anyway.

hebroncougar · 12-23-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nate

Cordero's meltdown has already occurred. It just hasn't showed up in his ERA due to an unsustainable BABIP and small sample size.

I'd let someone else blaze that trail.

This.

757690 · 12-23-2011, 08:24 PM

I usually don't like to pay relievers big bucks, but Madson is young and very effective. He and Marshall at the end of the bullpen would bring back memories of the Nasty Boys. If the other team isn't leading by the end of the seventh inning, game over.

I think that might actually be more productive than spending the same money on a left fielder, based on what's left.

Blitz Dorsey · 12-23-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

We get a draft pick regardless of the arbitration issue. We did n ot offer, but get it anyway.

Thank you. For some reason I was under the misconception that we had to offer arbitration in order to receive a compensatory draft pick. Maybe it's a rule change. Or perhaps I just had my head up my rear end.

12-23-2011, 02:11 PM	#1
Blitz Dorsey Party like it's 1990 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,323	Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? Unless I'm missing something, it looks like the Reds will re-sign Coco at a relatively cheap rate (maybe 1-year, $5 million) or make a big splash and sign the best FA closer left on the market, Ryan Madson. There are other options out there like Brad Lidge, but I bet the Reds either re-sign Cordero or use the money they have left to sign Madson. One big key is whether there are other teams actively looking for a closer. How many competitors do the Reds have on the open market? It feels like a buyer's market and the Reds should end up getting a decent bargain, but I could be wrong.

12-23-2011, 04:50 PM	#3
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? Boston is the only other team looking for a closer (until or if someone gets injured before opening day). I'd love to see Walt get Madson, I just fear that Cordero is bound to regress due to age very soon, and when it happens, it's going to be Danny Graves meltdown bad. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

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RedlegJake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Kansas City, Mo Posts: 3,866	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? I don't mind a Cordero return as long as it's one year. Anything more I fear is hanging an anchor on the bullpen

12-23-2011, 04:57 PM	#5
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,228	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? My problem with Cordereo was the mostly the salary. Have him at 4 million on 1 year deal and I'm ok with that.

12-23-2011, 05:20 PM	#6
nate High five! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 6,776	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? Cordero's meltdown has already occurred. It just hasn't showed up in his ERA due to an unsustainable BABIP and small sample size. I'd let someone else blaze that trail. __________________ "Bring on Rod Stupid!"

12-23-2011, 06:28 PM	#7
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,575	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? Really not a fan of more Cordero. __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

12-23-2011, 07:01 PM	#8
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? neither. Madson costs too much. Cordero's 2011 was a mirage. I think Heisey is a fine 4th outfielder. Heisey/Frazier just doesn't look good for left field for me. I think those guys both have their uses but we need more in left. So I'd rather Walt fixed LF first. Right now Marshall or Chapman could close just as good or better than any free agent except Madson. __________________ .

12-23-2011, 07:02 PM	#9
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? plus if anyone but us signs Cordero we get a sandwich pick, We will need it after losing 6 (!) prospects this week. __________________ .

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757690 Hoping to be 75769013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dayton Posts: 6,155	Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson? I usually don't like to pay relievers big bucks, but Madson is young and very effective. He and Marshall at the end of the bullpen would bring back memories of the Nasty Boys. If the other team isn't leading by the end of the seventh inning, game over. I think that might actually be more productive than spending the same money on a left fielder, based on what's left. __________________ We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein

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